Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK most people that dont have supercaps or any interest in flying one really hate the hotdrops onto solo ships or small gangs. Instantly theres a crapload of capitals sitting on you wtfpwning everything in sight. If a capital itself requires a decent timer before its jumped it could potentially stop people from doing the ROFL stomp that we still see even after the supercap nerf. That caps can have such nice manuverability on deployment seems unbalanced.

A jump timer when you start jumping thats based on the mass of the ship jumping.

NO the only way to stop a gatecamp is not just a damn capital drop.

This would allow hotdrops to happen against subcaps with a quickly deployed subcap fleet via bridge, and caps/supercaps in around 30 seconds to a minute. This would require a bit more planning to deploy capitals. I think it actually should. ITS HUGE. It shouldn't be so easy to get around.

Cant wait to see how many people trash this idea for the thought of losing the ability to use their 1 - 15 billion I win eve button on unsuspecting small ships, but whatever. I'd like the idea of eve being fun again without solowtfpwn mobiles haunting low population systems because its easy and virtually risk free if the locals don't have lots of isk to counter one.

I like it a lot. There is talk of a 60 second spool-up timer for jump-capable ships in the future too, but I like this idea better.

How about if a Cyno builds up a charge that can be used to let capitals jump in and any given ship uses up a certain amount of charge. Balance it so that it takes 10-15s before a carrier/Dread can get through and twice that for a SCarrier/Titan (SCarrier mass would need to be increased a bit if you're going strictly on mass, since they're closer to Dreads than Titans in mass).

I don't know that it's the perfect solution, but it seems like a decent way to throttle the speed at which hotdrops can happen (though if the attackers are smart they'll bridge in some interceptors right away to tackle, but atleast it'll be more than just supers dropping in and pwning everything).

*chuckle* No. It ruins the other person's fun of making you look like a bug on a windshield as that cap ship appears out of no where and you smack into it, before it cyno's in more ships itself (if its a titan). You could....counter drop it? You could...run away? You could...learn who has a cap ship and not engage them? These concepts already exist in game, if you don't have a cap ship of your own in your alliance/corp then you run away, if you can't run away then learn to stay away and not fly into their territory unless you are just batshit crazy. See, you don't need to whine to CCP to solve your problem, just look at other ways to avoid it

First troll post wasn't the first post. Of that I'm actually amazed :)

Yeah doesn't need to be instant subcap jumps. Depends on how large of a problem it really is. Thing is I don't hear of as many large subcap fleet drops. Yes they happen, and regularly in null. I really hear alot more about people getting caps dropped on them. Yes on rare occasion they die in a fire, but most times they don't. Caps should not be solo killing machines. The real annoyance is when they drop a carrier into a mission or plex or onto a small gang thats aggressed on a gate and unprepared for something they cant kill. I've been hotdropped a number of times and never seen a single subcap come through. Every time it basically broke the fight, forced everyone to run away because we couldn't lock and kill the cyno frig before the carrier jumped in. Without the dps to hurt a carrier available its run or die.

I figure this works because it allows large subcap fleet fights to continue between alliances while limiting hotdropped carriers on small time lowsec groups or startup nullsec corps.
People will still try to drop on small gangs, but it wont be so gamebreaking.
I think if it just becomes a 60 second cyno bloom timer like currently proposed it will be a joke to take out cynos. I dont care personally, but I think it will suck for the big alliances trying to get a large scale fight going.

Blobs will happen irregardless of bridge fleets being nerfed. Thats completely different problem IMO than a solo cap dropping on a battleship gang with 2 officer points and killing them then jumping out because they cant hold him or have a chance of hurting him. I would feel better about getting blobbed than solo killed by someone with very little skill, but a craptonne of ISK.
Yes though, more risk to portalling anything would be nice.


also new logoff mechanics?? need to go read the devblogs again.

Right there is the problem. Not everyone has a huge amount of friends on hand with t2 ships that can be risked against a carrier that could just be a cyno carrier. Drop another cap or 2 after the carriers got problems, completely screwing everyone that doesn't have supercaps reppin each other to fight back with. Need 50+ people to stop that if one happens to be a supercap. OR do what most do, run and hope you aren't left in your pod. Takes the fun out of the game. New people start not wanting to do roams unless theres capital pilots online to protect them :S
How can new players get into the game if its already been won by nullsec ISK?

Hotdropping is like playing an FPS game where you go to attack a guy with a knife and his buddy magically appears beside you in a tank and runs you over.
Why should a capital be allowed to instantly teleport anywhere there's a friend with a cyno? I'm not against dropping capitals into places for a fight. It just shouldn't be instant.

I get the feeling the 60 sec spool will handle it.

Solo people will have a hard time dropping caps without help, eliminating the aforementioned problem.

And as for the alliances having a problem keeping cynos alive:
This could provide another use for blackops. Scout pops a covert cyno to bring in a recon support fleet for defense of the standard cyno while the capitals spool up and the main force bridges in.

Quoting a poor man's obnoxious elitism. I guarantee i make more in a day than you make a week.
Think of it this way, if someone could drop one titan on you and your capital-hot-dropping-for-the-hell-of-it friends and wipe the whole fleet, you dont think youd be upset?

CCP has said before capitals arent supposed to be solo boats. "Theyre big d**ks to be waved around in large scale fights" i seem to remember a dev saying at fanfest a couple years ago. One carrier shouldnt be able to solo 5-10 people in a moments notice, just as a titan cant solo 5-10 carriers.

After seeing some of your other posts in other forums its clear to me you use eve as a way to bully other people anonymously as a compensation for your low self esteem.

You know damn well that a lone carrier being able to ruin the day of 20-30 people in a gate camp is OP. You just like it that way.
Waving an epeen cause you came up short in real life i suspect.

Oh and 100m isk in 20 mins is nothing to lol at