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What to do when someone steals a mission item
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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#81 - 2012-02-03 00:25:11 UTC
use a agent find out where he does his deeds. go into his missions and salvage all his wrecks and do what he did to you :)
Maxx86
Infinite Forms
#82 - 2012-02-03 01:30:08 UTC
forgive my ignorance, but doesn't a mission naturally resets itself after the daily maintenance downtime?
I was helping a RL friend of mine that couldn't complete a mission because of him not being competent with english, he basicly destroyed the scientists he was supposed to save in a lv1 mission and then docked somewhere XD
when we met IRL, the day after, he told me about that, we went together at the mission site and the sciensts were there again.
did you try this?
gfldex
#83 - 2012-02-03 03:13:30 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory.


As usual a RL example that doesn't make any sense. Your breaks are not part of a computer game. Nor are they meant to compete with each other over resources. You can't gank the break nor can you declare war on the brake's corp for retaliation.

It might be a surprise to you but this kind of PvP interaction is by design because it encourages player conflict. EVE without conflict would not work because NPCs are no good enough at killing players to create a rate of consumption that is required to meet production.

In general, that _you_ don't like it does not make it bad game mechanics. You learned how to make good ISK of the lvl1 arc. Now go and get rich. Little hint, it does not involve to complete the arc.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-02-03 04:11:00 UTC
5 pages of Pillowtalk and you still have not revealed who the villain was?

Black Man with Goggles
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#85 - 2012-02-03 05:32:18 UTC
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
Well now, let's see here... "Jet-Canning a Janitor" is the sixth mission in that arc. It will probably take at least a couple of hours all told to get to that point on your alt, right? And the only replacement janitor on contracts has an asking price of 40m.


Smarter folks will smell a market opportunity. Train up an alt or help it get that far in the mission chain, loot Janitor, sell on contracts for 30-40M ISK. Trash alt, repeat process.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#86 - 2012-02-03 05:33:29 UTC
Maxx86 wrote:
forgive my ignorance, but doesn't a mission naturally resets itself after the daily maintenance downtime?
I was helping a RL friend of mine that couldn't complete a mission because of him not being competent with english, he basicly destroyed the scientists he was supposed to save in a lv1 mission and then docked somewhere XD
when we met IRL, the day after, he told me about that, we went together at the mission site and the sciensts were there again.
did you try this?


Yes, mission pockets will respawn every day at downtime if the mission objects were not met. I don't recall whether this particular mission falls under that category (it might).
Tithi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-02-03 06:53:51 UTC
I think pillow is forgetting something here. The guy tried to profit from the event. You just didn't accept his price. He probably saw the one on contract for 40 and thought "I could get way better than 2m" your argument that he didn't have anything to gain is pretty silly to me. Even if he did in fact have no way of making money doing this as you say, you'd still be wrong because he earned this awesome whinefest for us all to laugh about. Next time someone shows up during your mission, beat them to the loot and don't come to the forums to make a fool of yourself.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-02-03 07:14:14 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Renturu wrote:
What is this "1 item" you needed. Many players have extras and usually to kill the mission quick, have them on hand.



Nebben Centrien


I don't have one or I'd send it your way. Loads of regular Janitors.

No idea what to tell you. As you indicated, EVE is a griefers paradise. Enjoy it as long as you can and dump it for something with a moral backbone.
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2012-02-03 10:43:14 UTC
Damsel in Distress wrote:
Jacob Holland wrote:
You can probably buy The Damsel relatively easily



No



This made me lol.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-02-03 10:57:17 UTC
I'm very late for this post but here's my 2 bits!

As a former ninja looter the goal is profit, of course. Unfortunately, for you, a couple of million isk isn't going to cut it. What will the market bear? You've already stated it: 40mil isk, as the only available contract. You could haggle but, he already offered you a 20mil buyout. So, that's what it will cost.

Whether CCP resets the mission or not IDK. But from what I understand, as long as the thief offers you the ability to buy the item back then CCP won't get involved. On the other hand, they may. It's a grey area. Good luck.

Don't ban me, bro!
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#91 - 2012-02-03 10:59:33 UTC
Pirates and ninjas are cowards and noobs most of the time. War dec them, make them not undock for several weeks.

Ask for 5-10b for dropping the war dec.

Surprisingly, it DOES work sometimes :P

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Sakura Imoru
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-02-03 11:19:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakura Imoru
While I (even as a missionrunner myself) agree that the theft of mission items is quite common, can happen to anybody and is working as intended I think that stealing from the Sister's Arc might be entering a grey zone (or is it "legal limbo"?). You can even use some missions to have a laugh out of loot/salvage-ninjas (i.e. park a ship with good tank in Recon 3/3 and watch ninjas cry over getting their speedy but fragile ninja-ship getting blown up by that nebula Twisted).

"Why is it a grey zone?" you ask? Well, it depends if you consider the Sister's arc as part of the tutorial or not. Considering that it is supposed to introduce the new player to all mayor factions in the cluster, you could very well make the claim that it still belongs to the tutorials.
TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-02-03 11:48:11 UTC
Sakura Imoru wrote:
"Why is it a grey zone?" you ask? Well, it depends if you consider the Sister's arc as part of the tutorial or not. Considering that it is supposed to introduce the new player to all mayor factions in the cluster, you could very well make the claim that it still belongs to the tutorials.


There's no grey zone. Only failure to read and understand articles. http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

"Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. "

Last I checked no epic arcs were listed under F12, tutorials.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#94 - 2012-02-03 11:57:04 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.

Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime?


Wait until after DT, the mission will re-spawn and you will be able to re-do it and get the item. Maybe do this a few times and put the item on contract for "40million" or whatever you saw it for.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Sakura Imoru
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-02-03 11:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Sakura Imoru
TR4D3R4LT wrote:
Sakura Imoru wrote:
"Why is it a grey zone?" you ask? Well, it depends if you consider the Sister's arc as part of the tutorial or not. Considering that it is supposed to introduce the new player to all mayor factions in the cluster, you could very well make the claim that it still belongs to the tutorials.


There's no grey zone. Only failure to read and understand articles. http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

"Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated. "

Last I checked no epic arcs were listed under F12, tutorials.


I highlighted the important parts. I never claimed that they are, just that you could view them as part ot the NPE/tutorials
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-02-03 12:13:40 UTC
Don't give the mission griefer any ISK/tears, and you'll find that they just colossally wasted their time with you.

Maybe even bait them on, a bit. However, never give the indication that you're enraged in any way. Maybe sympathetic or purposefully unknowledgeable. Maybe pretend to not know English

It's too late for many of these options, but remember that what just happened has taught you a valuable lesson about EVE. Toy with, bait and troll the cowards, and you'll find a fun mini-profession to pursue on the side.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#97 - 2012-02-03 12:21:07 UTC
foxnod wrote:

Tippia's opinion matters a whole lot more than yours. He actually has the respect of a large percentage of the playerbase.



Now, child, I know you like to pull things out of (and indeed put things into) your bottom, but I would dearly like you to provide some proof of this pretty sweeping assertion. Most people I know - and people's reactions on the boards - seem to hold a different point of view to what you've just said.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-02-03 12:25:28 UTC
Sakura Imoru wrote:

I highlighted the important parts. I never claimed that they are, just that you could view them as part ot the NPE/tutorials


Sakura Imoru wrote:

While I (even as a missionrunner myself) agree that the theft of mission items is quite common, can happen to anybody and is working as intendedI think that stealing from the Sister's Arc might be entering a grey zone (or is it "legal limbo"?).


Actually, you claimed that you *think* it's grey zone. That is if we want to start to split hairs about who said exactly what and where. Fact remains that Sisters Arch is not part of Tutorial due to it not being inside F12/Tutorials menu. I hope now with knowledge what they *are* you recognize your own *thinking* to be false in this matter.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#99 - 2012-02-03 12:39:18 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:


Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.

There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market.

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.

If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself.

Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.


I'v been playing eve since beta, and although I totally want eve to be a harsh environment the OP makes several very valid points. I believe in HTFU but when the OP says that in some cases these things do not encourage more gameplay but just troll players into quitting he is right. Do we need to keep it hard? Yeah! Do we need to actively troll players just for the fact that trolling them might annoy them? No...

Besides risk versus reward this was a zero sum operation, hardly any risk to speak of expecting a big reward by using mechanics in your favour.

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Sakura Imoru
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-02-03 13:04:46 UTC
TR4D3R4LT wrote:
Sakura Imoru wrote:

I highlighted the important parts. I never claimed that they are, just that you could view them as part ot the NPE/tutorials


Sakura Imoru wrote:

While I (even as a missionrunner myself) agree that the theft of mission items is quite common, can happen to anybody and is working as intendedI think that stealing from the Sister's Arc might be entering a grey zone (or is it "legal limbo"?).


Actually, you claimed that you *think* it's grey zone. That is if we want to start to split hairs about who said exactly what and where. Fact remains that Sisters Arch is not part of Tutorial due to it not being inside F12/Tutorials menu. I hope now with knowledge what they *are* you recognize your own *thinking* to be false in this matter.


Yes, I said I think it might be entering a grey zone, depending on if you consider the arc as part of the tutorial or not. I never claimed I'm sure about this. Considering that all 5 of the tutorial agents send you to Sister Alitura to do that arc you can also very well say that she is part of the F12-Tutorial-Option. I guess only CCP can answer this for sure.