EVE General Discussion

Ahhh the old "If you make people suffer it will bring you pleasure" argument. I'm more concerned with the mechanics of what happened, not who actually did it.

No PVP took place. No shots were fired. And even if I would have attacked him and killed him there would have been no guarantee that my stolen item would have dropped. I could war dec him and pursue him for weeks, but that would be a reward to him as clearly he is looking for a fight. What counters would you suggest I utilize?

You lost the argument when you called me a moron. Although you calling me a moron clearly shows your irritation with me. According to your logic I should be happy about it and consider it a success. Perhaps I will sit back and enjoy the pleasure I have gained by making you suffer.

Yes it did. Your just delusional.

People who pick fights in are looking to get kills, not take losses. Regardless of whether or not the person is looking to fight you, fighting them and winning has a negative effect on them. Particularly highsec folks who are usually massive killboard whores, myself included.

Altenatively pay someone else money to wreck his **** for you.

I want a skill and items added to the game so I can booby trap cans. End of problem. =P

Been a long time coming.

I disagree. Its griefing. Nothing was gained from his perspective other than to get to be a jerk. Additionally there are no countermeasures offered to me. War deccing and hunting him would be a collosal waste of time, and it wouldn't get my item back anyway. Even in mining can flipping you can always use a hauler to counteract it. There is nothing you can do to counteract what happened to me, hence its griefing. Its a bad game mechanic and needs to be changed. By reading this forum you wouldn't think many people agreed, but typically most of the people on these forums are the old hardened veterans who have an emotional connection the inherent chaos in eve, and having suffered it themselves they feel compelled to defend it if its good for the game or not. They went through it, and you must too. I love 99% of eve but I will never understand why griefers and jerks have always been given so much power to ruin others game play since the dawn of eve. It just doesn't make sense to me from any angle except that of looking at it from the perspective of a jerk.

Or perhaps you think your interpretation of a situation is absolute and your opinions fact.

Griefer=A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players

The player who stole my mission item deliberately irritated and harassed me did he not?

Where am I going wrong?

I've had this exact same discussion before. The maker of a game can indeed determine what category they choose to place certain actions in. I do not agree however that they can redefine a word. I was griefed. If CCP chooses not to call it greifing then I guess that is their right to live in an encapsulated world where they makeup their own meanings, but that doesn't stop the rest of the world around them from continuing to use the agreed upon definitions that they have always used.

However in this situation I think are you agreeing with me. "players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others" seems to describe very accurately the player I encountered tonight.

I think someone flying around stealing peoples mission items is definitely "consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others."

Additionally, how is this is about me being a new or an old player? My disagreement is with the mechanic as a whole, and I am here to voice my opinion against the mechanic as it exists now to bring awareness to it in hopes that at some point in the future sanity may be applied to this situation and changes made.

On the contrary, you were not griefed, griefing in eve is "consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience of others." Did he smack-talk to you in local? Did he come to forums to wave the loot around and tell everyone about it? Did he follow you and proceed to constantly bump you off the docking distance of stations? Or was it more along the lines that he spent 1 hour of 24 hour day to scam you?

See that's the deal with consistency, it cannot have contradiction in it. By your own admission, he offered to sell you the item back for 20 million. That's the contradiction in the whole "he's only griefing me!" He's not griefing you, he's trying to make profit out of you, which contradicts the griefing argument.

The thing about new player is related to rules, can-baiting in starter systems is banana worthy offence, can baiting in say, jita, is not. Hence if you were a new freshly started player without knowledge of game mechanics, gm's might look more softly at your case, as you didnt know better. However you have proven that you know better, by offering to pay for the item, it's just that you're not willing to pay the price he is asking. There's nothing personal, just business.