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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-02-02 05:13:22 UTC
i feel like flying to arnon real quick to buy up the one on contracts there

and trashing it Twisted

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Jonas Xiamon
#22 - 2012-02-02 05:14:56 UTC
Kietay Ayari wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Declare war on the person and make the lives of his corpmates a misery for a week.

D: whyyy


He earned it.

I usally write one of these and then change it a month later when I reread it and decide it sounds stupid.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#23 - 2012-02-02 05:17:48 UTC
Hey OP, by any chance was the person who stole your item Grinder2210?
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-02-02 05:18:43 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hey OP, by any chance was the person who stole your item Grinder2210?



No

Don't violence me bro!
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-02-02 05:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: foxnod
Pillowtalk wrote:
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.


Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended.


Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.

There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market.

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.

If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself.

Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.



Then you clearly don't belong in EVE.

CCP had to lay off 20% of it's workforce because they decided to go the route of cashop+captin's cubicle.

Since crucible the PCU has been steadily climbing like it has every year since the game launched. If they went carebear like you apparently want, then they'd drive off their core base and wind up closing the servers within 3 months. Sony did this with SWG.

Eve revolves around full loot, open pvp. So you either accept this fact, or go to some other game that caters to your taste.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2012-02-02 05:20:52 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.
The first two aren't really true and the last item on your list has nothing to do with this. In fact, unlike pretty much every other MMO, EVE has had constant growth for nearly a decade straight (until CCP simply forgot about the game for a year). The reason it managed to do that is because it has constantly offered something no other game offers and since it constantly generates these big splashy stories about the big heists where some dastardly person screwed over some poor hapless victim. This is just an extension of that.

Quote:
However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way.
It is also entirely in keeping with the overall theme of EVE and adds an element of PvP to your missions.

Quote:
Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved.
Nah. Some people will simply pay the price, and if not, they can auction it off later. ISK in the wallet either way.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#27 - 2012-02-02 05:22:59 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Hey OP, by any chance was the person who stole your item Grinder2210?



No

Tah'ris Khlador?
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-02-02 05:27:46 UTC
foxnod wrote:

Then you clearly don't belong in EVE.

CCP had to lay off 20% of it's workforce because they decided to go the route of cashop+captin's cubicle.

Since crucible the PCU has been steadily climbing like it has every year since the game launched. If they went carebear like you apparently want, then they'd drive off their core base and wind up closing the servers within 3 months; just like SWG with their NGE.



I don't belong in Eve and I am a carebear because I want to be able to do a quest without getting my quest item stolen? Seriously?

I'm actually looking forward to getting into low sec PvP with my brother, I have had several POSs blown up and am completely ok with it, and even got poded several times when I returned to Eve while trying to get my stuff out of lowsec, and that was fine with me to.

I just wanna do a little dinky almost meaningless mission to just chill for a lil bit in Eve to mix things up. But you're saying it would be perfectly ok with you if every single time someone did a mission everyone had their quest items stolen?

And in your opinion someone would be a carebear if they complained at all if they could never finish a single mission that involved an item because you say its fine for everyone to steal them constantly?

Me and you will just have to agree to disagree I think.

Don't violence me bro!
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#29 - 2012-02-02 05:29:02 UTC
Most of its not the isk its that they pissed you off and ruined your day, wasted your time, etc. The isk is secondary to that imo. And yes thats Eve in a nutshell for a lot of the player base.

Petition it and get it reset. CCP is pretty good about that.


I myself wouldve never offered isk for it. Id sooner eat the loss than give someone anything. But thats just me.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-02-02 05:30:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.
The first two aren't really true and the last item on your list has nothing to do with this. In fact, unlike pretty much every other MMO, EVE has had constant growth for nearly a decade straight (until CCP simply forgot about the game for a year). The reason it managed to do that is because it has constantly offered something no other game offers and since it constantly generates these big splashy stories about the big heists where some dastardly person screwed over some poor hapless victim. This is just an extension of that.

Quote:
However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way.
It is also entirely in keeping with the overall theme of EVE and adds an element of PvP to your missions.

Quote:
Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved.
Nah. Some people will simply pay the price, and if not, they can auction it off later. ISK in the wallet either way.


Tippia, I place no value on your opinion. If you wish to speak to others in threads I start then by all means feel free. Please refrain from responding to me though because I have absolutely no interest in your opinion what so ever, because clearly you have none in mine. Thanks.

Don't violence me bro!
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-02-02 05:32:42 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
foxnod wrote:

Then you clearly don't belong in EVE.

CCP had to lay off 20% of it's workforce because they decided to go the route of cashop+captin's cubicle.

Since crucible the PCU has been steadily climbing like it has every year since the game launched. If they went carebear like you apparently want, then they'd drive off their core base and wind up closing the servers within 3 months; just like SWG with their NGE.



I don't belong in Eve and I am a carebear because I want to be able to do a quest without getting my quest item stolen? Seriously?

I'm actually looking forward to getting into low sec PvP with my brother, I have had several POSs blown up and am completely ok with it, and even got poded several times when I returned to Eve while trying to get my stuff out of lowsec, and that was fine with me to.

I just wanna do a little dinky almost meaningless mission to just chill for a lil bit in Eve to mix things up. But you're saying it would be perfectly ok with you if every single time someone did a mission everyone had their quest items stolen?

And in your opinion someone would be a carebear if they complained at all if they could never finish a single mission that involved an item because you say its fine for everyone to steal them constantly?

Me and you will just have to agree to disagree I think.



PVP can happen everywhere. It's part of the game, so you either learn to deal with it and develop counters, or you remain a victim.
W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#32 - 2012-02-02 05:34:42 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. ...


A car leaving the factory with bad brakes--> is NOT supposed to happen.

Another player playing EVE and stealing something from you and ransoming it like a proper pirate--> IS supposed to happen.

If you don't like playing a game that has actual player pirates in it, doing actual pirating [duh!], then go play something else.

And none of this "Oh more people would play if the game was made nicer..." BS. If you want to play a nice safe game play something else. The 'great masses' of players who do not want to play a potentially hazardous space ship game are NOT WANTED HERE, you understand!? We [royal we] dont want them playing, and CCP doesn't want their money either.

Your failed logic is that dumbing down a game to attract more common players would benefit everyone. Just look at all the wrecks of games that atttempted that in the last decade [wow clones] --> you get a large subscriber base for a short while, then complete playerbase drop off nearly shuttering your servers then F2P desperation.

Being a unique game [ie. not softened and even more boring than it already is:)] ensures there is a consistent relatively small sustainable playerbase forever [what we want], not a temporary large playerbase then utter embarrasing collapse.
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-02-02 05:35:03 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:
Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.
The first two aren't really true and the last item on your list has nothing to do with this. In fact, unlike pretty much every other MMO, EVE has had constant growth for nearly a decade straight (until CCP simply forgot about the game for a year). The reason it managed to do that is because it has constantly offered something no other game offers and since it constantly generates these big splashy stories about the big heists where some dastardly person screwed over some poor hapless victim. This is just an extension of that.

Quote:
However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way.
It is also entirely in keeping with the overall theme of EVE and adds an element of PvP to your missions.

Quote:
Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved.
Nah. Some people will simply pay the price, and if not, they can auction it off later. ISK in the wallet either way.


Tippia, I place no value on your opinion. If you wish to speak to others in threads I start then by all means feel free. Please refrain from responding to me though because I have absolutely no interest in your opinion what so ever, because clearly you have none in mine. Thanks.



Tippia's opinion matters a whole lot more than yours. He actually has the respect of a large percentage of the playerbase.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-02 05:36:54 UTC
Blue ice miners in Brapelille did nothing but cry on the forums about getting unfairly suicide ganked. They made no attempts to fight back. The most they would do was stiffening their ships, but they ultimately remained helpless victims.

Don't be a blue ice miner.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#35 - 2012-02-02 05:37:26 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.


You could try playing Tabula Rasa. It's sci-fi themed and there's almost no pvp. Be sure to post your experience after you've tried playing it.

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-02-02 05:38:58 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Most of its not the isk its that they pissed you off and ruined your day, wasted your time, etc. The isk is secondary to that imo. And yes thats Eve in a nutshell for a lot of the player base.

Petition it and get it reset. CCP is pretty good about that.


I myself wouldve never offered isk for it. Id sooner eat the loss than give someone anything. But thats just me.



You know thats the part that really kills me. I get it, the guy wants to be a pirate, and I'm totally ok with that. He wants to make a few iskies and he has his own niche carved out. But WHY WON'T THESE PEOPLE BE REASONABLE??? I just don't get it. 20 million he's gunna ask for for warping in and looting a can?

I would have HAPPILY gave the guy a few million and chuckled to myself and thought "Oh those wacky pirates", and life would have moved on for both of us. But instead everything has to go down the egotistical grief route and everyone's time is wasted.

Stuff like this is what makes things so horrible for the pirates. I really think the majority of people are ok with some people wanting to be the bad guys, but there is a thin line between playing the bad guy and just being a complete jerk, and unfortunately most people like that have no idea where the line is and just go straight to jerk.

Don't violence me bro!
foxnod
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-02-02 05:41:54 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
Most of its not the isk its that they pissed you off and ruined your day, wasted your time, etc. The isk is secondary to that imo. And yes thats Eve in a nutshell for a lot of the player base.

Petition it and get it reset. CCP is pretty good about that.


I myself wouldve never offered isk for it. Id sooner eat the loss than give someone anything. But thats just me.



You know thats the part that really kills me. I get it, the guy wants to be a pirate, and I'm totally ok with that. He wants to make a few iskies and he has his own niche carved out. But WHY WON'T THESE PEOPLE BE REASONABLE??? I just don't get it. 20 million he's gunna ask for for warping in and looting a can?

I would have HAPPILY gave the guy a few million and chuckled to myself and thought "Oh those wacky pirates", and life would have moved on for both of us. But instead everything has to go down the egotistical grief route and everyone's time is wasted.

Stuff like this is what makes things so horrible for the pirates. I really think the majority of people are ok with some people wanting to be the bad guys, but there is a thin line between playing the bad guy and just being a complete jerk, and unfortunately most people like that have no idea where the line is and just go straight to jerk.


That pirate has done us a huge favour. We now get to read your tear-jerker; so he's a hero to me.
J Kunjeh
#38 - 2012-02-02 05:44:17 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.


It totally wasn't pointless for him, especially not after you came whining to the forums...he totally just won Eve thanks to that move on your part.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-02-02 05:44:37 UTC
W1rlW1nd wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. ...


A car leaving the factory with bad brakes--> is NOT supposed to happen.

Another player playing EVE and stealing something from you and ransoming it like a proper pirate--> IS supposed to happen.

If you don't like playing a game that has actual player pirates in it, doing actual pirating [duh!], then go play something else.

And none of this "Oh more people would play if the game was made nicer..." BS. If you want to play a nice safe game play something else. The 'great masses' of players who do not want to play a potentially hazardous space ship game are NOT WANTED HERE, you understand!? We [royal we] dont want them playing, and CCP doesn't want their money either.

Your failed logic is that dumbing down a game to attract more common players would benefit everyone. Just look at all the wrecks of games that atttempted that in the last decade [wow clones] --> you get a large subscriber base for a short while, then complete playerbase drop off nearly shuttering your servers then F2P desperation.

Being a unique game [ie. not softened and even more boring than it already is:)] ensures there is a consistent relatively small sustainable playerbase forever [what we want], not a temporary large playerbase then utter embarrasing collapse.



You think that making it so a player can't warp into a mission and loot from a can floating in space would be "dumbing it down"?

Also, no pirating took place here. Griefing took place here. Nothing was gained by any party but wasted time. I understand you want anarchy though.

Don't violence me bro!
J Kunjeh
#40 - 2012-02-02 05:44:45 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.


It wasn't at all pointless for him, especially not after you came whining to the forums...he totally just won Eve thanks to that move on your part.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)