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What to do when someone steals a mission item
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-02-02 04:22:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.

Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime?

Don't violence me bro!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2012-02-02 04:27:46 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
I was just doing the sister's of eve quest and someone came and stole a guy I needed from a can. What are my options? I offered to buy the guy off him for a couple million, but as usual pirates always want the big score which is why they are always broke, and he asked for 20 mil. Not paying 20 mil for one part of a 50 part quest.

Can I petition it to get a replacement, or will it reset after downtime?


You can try petitioning and hope CCP will restart the mission in a meaningful time-frame, but you can usually find the item on contracts too.



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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-02-02 04:28:25 UTC
you can normally buy the item straight of the market very cheaply
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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-02-02 04:31:13 UTC
Its not on the market, and there is only 1 on contract for 40 million. Just gunna get on an alt and do the quest up until that point and trade the item to my other character. Luckily its early in the quest.

Don't violence me bro!
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-02 04:36:33 UTC
There is nothing to petition here - its part of the game mechanics in the same way that can-flipping is.

The mission won't reset as it has been properly completed i.e. the item has been scooped. As already suggested you can either pay his ransom, buy a replacement off the market, use an alt to get the mission again or fail the mission.
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-02 04:42:36 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
There is nothing to petition here - its part of the game mechanics in the same way that can-flipping is.

The mission won't reset as it has been properly completed i.e. the item has been scooped. As already suggested you can either pay his ransom, buy a replacement off the market, use an alt to get the mission again or fail the mission.


Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. Stuff life this costs CCP more money then I think they will ever truly be able to fathom. Leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth to pay to be annoyed. Honestly it would be better to just remove concord so the guy could have attacked me and taken my stuff. At least something productive would have taken place then for someone. As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.

Don't violence me bro!
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#7 - 2012-02-02 04:42:44 UTC
What is this "1 item" you needed. Many players have extras and usually to kill the mission quick, have them on hand.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-02 04:44:56 UTC
Renturu wrote:
What is this "1 item" you needed. Many players have extras and usually to kill the mission quick, have them on hand.



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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#9 - 2012-02-02 04:50:01 UTC
Declare war on the person and make the lives of his corpmates a misery for a week.
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-02 04:52:50 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Declare war on the person and make the lives of his corpmates a misery for a week.

D: whyyy

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ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-02-02 04:54:59 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.


Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended.
Ai Shun
#12 - 2012-02-02 04:56:27 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them. Stuff life this costs CCP more money then I think they will ever truly be able to fathom. Leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth to pay to be annoyed. Honestly it would be better to just remove concord so the guy could have attacked me and taken my stuff. At least something productive would have taken place then for someone. As it stands now this was nothing but a complete waste of time for everyone involved.


Yes and no. Being a **** is part of EVE Online's game design. Scamming, theft, making a quick ISK off anothers' sweat. Those are all aspects the game and it's design encourages. Yeah, it may leave a bad taste in your mouth and I'll agree - as far as piracy goes it's not exactly the work of an interstellar genius.

But I don't think this will cost CCP more money than they will ever truly be able to fathom, because it is part of what they designed the game like. It's what EVE is, to a large degree, about. Risk, reward, all that.

I do like your idea of removing CONCORD though; although I'd replace it with a NPC corp that is player joinable and is a more realistic fleet. But then, I like the idea of replacing all NPC services with player services.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#13 - 2012-02-02 04:58:30 UTC
abandon mission, take the standing hit (minimal) and take it again
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-02-02 04:59:31 UTC
yes, EVE is a "massively multiplayer" game.

literally everyone you find will either rob you blind and/or kill you and pod you

if they don't, they're probably hiding a knife behind their backs.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-02-02 05:00:42 UTC
The difference between normal piracy/scamming/theft and this is that the former is reasonably avoidable by using your brain and employing the proper counters. There is no reasonable counter to this.

At least ransoming mission items in level 4s targets experienced players and gives the person the recourse to simply cancel the mission. This targets newbies and blocks them from finishing the epic arc for three months. As someone who spent most of his EVE career griefing, ganking and stealing, I cannot believe that someone is honestly going to defend this mechanic. It's barely above canbaiting in the starter systems.

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#16 - 2012-02-02 05:02:25 UTC
It's always been my understanding that you can petition CCP for loss of a unique mission item due to player theft... or maybe it was due to despawning of the mission site due to downtime. I dunno.

You can try petitioning it, if you can't buy it off the market, but there's no guarantee. You may just have to tell the agent to F off, and accept the loss of agent standing.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-02 05:03:08 UTC
Pillowtalk wrote:
Its not on the market, and there is only 1 on contract for 40 million. Just gunna get on an alt and do the quest up until that point and trade the item to my other character. Luckily its early in the quest.




That's thinking outside the box. You're going to do well in EVE I think.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-02-02 05:07:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
if they don't, they're probably hiding a knife behind their backs.

It's more likely that they're hiding a sap and a set of manacles, particularly if their corp has mining in its description.
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#19 - 2012-02-02 05:08:19 UTC
You should've shot him when you had the chance.

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Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-02-02 05:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
Pillowtalk wrote:

Sometimes brakes on cars are bad when they leave the factory. Thats part of the mechanics too. But they recall them and fix them.


Yes, but we both know that this is Eve and it's working as intended.


Which is why subscriber growth for this game has been anemic at best over the years and the player base is miniscule in comparison to almost all other mildly successful MMOs. Additionally CCP just laid off a large portion of their staff and lost a large percentage of their subscribers because they actually paid money to hire "thought experts" that told them to charge 80 dollars or whatever absurd amount they charge for a monocle.

There is a saying in school that 5% of your students cause 95% of your problems, and the same holds true in eve, but in eve for some reason they cater to the 5%. The only explanation I have ever been able to come to is that CCP truly wants no mass appeal whatsoever. They explicitly want to be a niche market.

I am all for pvp, and conflict, and fighting, and strategy, and interesting game play. However, when I am just relaxing and looking for something low key to do, and I decide to log in to eve and do a nice slow pace quest to pick up a little faction, and some guy roles up and steals my quest item and then tries to get me to pay a ridiculous amount for it, thats just annoying. It doesn't add to game play in any way. I can't see it being particularly entertaining for the guy that did it, unless he has some real issues, and its just pointless in every way. I guess I just have a problem with pointless things.

If he was attacking my POS, hey I get it. We are fighting over resources. If he attacks me in low sec I get it, he wants my stuff. If he is undercutting me on the market I get it, he wants to outsell me. If he infiltrates my corp and steals our stuff great, he is personally enriching himself.

Rolling in and stealing my janitor, then me offering 2 million, and him asking for 20 mil, and him not even making a counter offer, just a total waste of time for everyone involved. This also leads me to wonder, why the hell won't people of the pirate ideology ever negotiate? The guy probably could have gotten me up to 4 mil or so, I could have moved on with my quest, he would be 4 mil richer, but I offer 2, he asks for 20, and then nothing. Just a complete waste. Waste of an evening, waste of a game, waste of 15 bucks. Just a waste.

Don't violence me bro!
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