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[Attention CSM] Community involvment

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-01 21:16:20 UTC
Where have you guys been lately? Seems as the months went on, the involvement from the CSM became less and less. I recall seeing Treabor and a few others post from time to time but that's about it. The Assembly Hall is designed specifically for the CSM to receive input from the players. As a CSM member it seems like you would be more active on the forums and more so in Assembly Hall.

By this I don't mean sarcastic idiot humor as your reply to everything. You should be providing your own feedback, encouraging discussion and development of ideas. Yes that means you Mittani. Especially you.

And yes this belongs in AH.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-02-01 23:24:15 UTC
This also goes out to the future CSM members...new and old. Please take more part in the Assembly Hall. Doing so may even cut down on some of the repeat posts and trolling that occurs here.

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None ofthe Above
#3 - 2012-02-01 23:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Where have you guys been lately? Seems as the months went on, the involvement from the CSM became less and less. I recall seeing Treabor and a few others post from time to time but that's about it. The Assembly Hall is designed specifically for the CSM to receive input from the players. As a CSM member it seems like you would be more active on the forums and more so in Assembly Hall.

By this I don't mean sarcastic idiot humor as your reply to everything. You should be providing your own feedback, encouraging discussion and development of ideas. Yes that means you Mittani. Especially you.

And yes this belongs in AH.


To be fair, Mittens did pipe up to let us all know how man-pretty he thinks he is, but that was over in General:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=742762#post742762

Also stopped by to mock the CSM elections (Jita Speakers):

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=741280#post741280

How can you say he's not engaging?

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-02-02 00:38:13 UTC
Yeah...not exactly the kind of CSM representative we should want. Hell CCP shouldn't even want him.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-02 13:04:33 UTC
I spend time every day monitoring AH threads. I only occasionally add my 0.02 isk however; it's often better to let discussions percolate.

Many members of the current CSM are not big supporters of the old-style CSM proposal system (in fact, there's been only one during CSM6, which I raised). However, I think there is merit in it, it's just that given what's already in the CSM backlog, the bar is high when it comes to adding new stuff. And the development realities are such that many proposals, even ones with much merit, will just moulder there.

Even so, the discussions here and in Features & Ideas are valuable, because they are a reference resource that is available both to CSM and CCP -- in particular when CCP is looking for new story ideas.

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Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-02 13:31:25 UTC
thinly veiled anti mittens thread becomes not so thinly veiled after 4 posts.

a new record
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-02 13:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I spend time every day monitoring AH threads. I only occasionally add my 0.02 isk however; it's often better to let discussions percolate.

Many members of the current CSM are not big supporters of the old-style CSM proposal system (in fact, there's been only one during CSM6, which I raised). However, I think there is merit in it, it's just that given what's already in the CSM backlog, the bar is high when it comes to adding new stuff. And the development realities are such that many proposals, even ones with much merit, will just moulder there.

Even so, the discussions here and in Features & Ideas are valuable, because they are a reference resource that is available both to CSM and CCP -- in particular when CCP is looking for new story ideas.

Thanks for the reply. It's just nice to know that the CSM members are still there and actively working with the rest of the populace of EvE.
Sverige Pahis wrote:
thinly veiled anti mittens thread becomes not so thinly veiled after 4 posts.

a new record

I don't need to veil anything, let alone thinly veil something. If I want to call out Mittani for being the smacktard he is, I will do it. Despite my feelings for Mittani I think he could actually do some real good for EvE through the CSM if he tried and really cared to. As it is he comes off as very aloof and arrogant which makes the CSM look rather bad. All CSM members should be able to separate themselves from their personal agenda in EvE and represent the entire community for CCP. Not just their "constituents". Do what is best for CCP and EvE as a whole. Not yourself. I rather like what Trebor and even Seleene try to accomplish and how they accomplish it. I hope both of them run for CSM and I hope both of them win again this year. Good luck to both of you.

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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-03 20:19:33 UTC
i'm not involved with you in the way that you like, but you didn't vote for me and actively whine about me regularly - so not only do i not care about what you think, i actively enjoy seeing you express frustration and feelings of impotence.

toodles~

~hi~
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-03 20:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I spend time every day monitoring AH threads. I only occasionally add my 0.02 isk however; it's often better to let discussions percolate.

Many members of the current CSM are not big supporters of the old-style CSM proposal system (in fact, there's been only one during CSM6, which I raised). However, I think there is merit in it, it's just that given what's already in the CSM backlog, the bar is high when it comes to adding new stuff. And the development realities are such that many proposals, even ones with much merit, will just moulder there.

Even so, the discussions here and in Features & Ideas are valuable, because they are a reference resource that is available both to CSM and CCP -- in particular when CCP is looking for new story ideas.


no but you see unless you make 50 posts every day saying HEY GUY THIS IS A GREAT IDEA I SHALL PROPOSE IT TO CCP IMMEDIATELY to every pants on head dumbass suggestion which has been made every week for the last 4 years you're not properly ~representing the community~ and you should be removed from the CSM and executed irl

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-03 20:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
The Mittani wrote:
i'm not involved with you in the way that you like, but you didn't vote for me and actively whine about me regularly - so not only do i not care about what you think, i actively enjoy seeing you express frustration and feelings of impotence.

toodles~


This is true. And typical...
Scatim Helicon wrote:

no but you see unless you make 50 posts every day saying HEY GUY THIS IS A GREAT IDEA I SHALL PROPOSE IT TO CCP IMMEDIATELY to every pants on head dumbass suggestion which has been made every week for the last 4 years you're not properly ~representing the community~ and you should be removed from the CSM and executed irl

This is somewhere out in left field.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-04 00:29:06 UTC
if elected to the CSM, I promise to give my input on every thread in AH

not really lol!

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-04 01:47:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
if elected to the CSM, I promise to give my input on every thread in AH

not really lol!

I am not expecting a post in every thread and a reply to every post. But I expect to see them from time to time providing input and posting ideas of their own and requesting feedback. It should not be difficult to find posts by CSM members, especially in a forum dedicated to them.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-02-04 03:20:29 UTC
look guys if you're really angry at mittens you should just vote for Nicolo da'Vicenza for CSM7. That'll show him
Aineko Macx
#14 - 2012-02-04 13:18:58 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I spend time every day monitoring AH threads. I only occasionally add my 0.02 isk however; it's often better to let discussions percolate.

Many members of the current CSM are not big supporters of the old-style CSM proposal system (in fact, there's been only one during CSM6, which I raised). However, I think there is merit in it, it's just that given what's already in the CSM backlog, the bar is high when it comes to adding new stuff. And the development realities are such that many proposals, even ones with much merit, will just moulder there.

I like Ass. Hall because it allows raising and discussing proposals in a public, time-independent and self-documenting fashion. And it is currently the only formal venue we have to raise proposals to the CSM. IMO it is the CSMs duty to give as much active input on those discussions as possible.

If instead you boycott it (like most CSMs are doing) or want to kill it, you need to replace it with something else. It seems that once elected, the CSM doesn't actually want to interact with the community, and the argument that backlog is full sounds like a lame excuse.

You can do better than this.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-04 13:38:18 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
no but you see unless you make 50 posts every day saying HEY GUY THIS IS A GREAT IDEA I SHALL PROPOSE IT TO CCP IMMEDIATELY to every pants on head dumbass suggestion which has been made every week for the last 4 years you're not properly ~representing the community~ and you should be removed from the CSM and executed irl

Ah, well, then by your own criteria your very own Dear Leader should be the first one up against the wall, shouldn't he? Twisted

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#16 - 2012-02-07 03:28:54 UTC
Its nice watching this guy's guardian angels come in. I like a happy ending to a thread.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-02-07 04:16:47 UTC
I can see Vertisce Soritenshi point in this but there's also the practicality of reading through some of these threads. Some go into to 10 pages or more (mostly trolling) and it is time consuming and laborious for the most part.

I also appreciate it gives the CSM and to a lesser extent CCP an insight as to what a very small portion of the EVE community is thinking but it is very small. A lot of EVE players probably don't even know these forums exist let alone voice an opinion on some of the things posted.

You also have to take into consideration human nature. I only look at the posts that have a direct interest for me and usually try and provide objective input as to why it's a good or bad idea and the CSM will very likely look at things in a similar fashion whilst trying to appease all.

A very very fine balancing act to be sure but it is nice to know that someone somewhere is reading these ideas/proposals at least, even if they can't or won't act on them. May be just a copy & paste message to say it's being looked at or not?

Just my thoughts anyway.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-02-07 04:24:59 UTC
I agree. It is not fair to expect them to read every single thread but they did run for the position and did get elected so they should dedicate time to it. I spend about 4 hours a day or more on these forums. It is just that boring at my job. I just wish to see more interaction and input on the better ideas.

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