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Great game. Really great game. But can I play it casual?

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-02-17 13:27:47 UTC
Devore Sekk wrote:
It is definitely possible to play EvE casually, as it is with pretty much any MMO out there that supports solo play extensively. Just don't expect to be flying a titan anytime soon, or at all.

Playing so little means you will be able to train all your support skills, without getting ahead of yourself trying to fly a ship underskilled, which will make everything you do go faster. Only real issue I can see coming up is making ISK, which does take time. And no, PI probably won't cut it (also comes with an ISK and time investment itself), it's nice, but you can't use it to fund all kinds of ships and modules to mess around with. So you may want to sell the occasional PLEX, although I would stay away from that for the first couple of months to avoid unhealthy temptations ;) unless of course money is no object.

I am sort of in the same boat, playing sporadically, at random times, for random intervals, sometimes disappearing for a couple of days. Probably makes it hard to do corp activities, and would make me feel like an ass stiffing my corp and never showing up for scheduled things. Not tolerated in nullsec alliances, from what I gather, and I'm trying to imagine the logistics of living in a WH on a limited and unpredictable schedule.


To be honost, you can make money while not being logged in a lot, that is by trading. Just set up buy and sell orders and they will actually be done while your not even logged in. True the more active you are on your trader the more succesfull, but skipping a couple of days doesn't mean you make no money at all.

And on casual players where RL comes first, it is possible to live in null-sec. You have to take some small considerations into acount (don't store all your ships in null, as when you return your system might be taken over and stuff like that) but it is still possible. There are plenty of null-sec corps that actually don't mind if you can't make every single operation that is scheduled due to real life things, they just ask you to attend as many as POSSIBLE.

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Jenny Cameron
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#22 - 2012-02-17 14:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenny Cameron
I don't really think EVE is a very casual player friendly game.

I'm playing for 2 years now but since i have less time I play a lot less. Things are just too time consuming.
Perhaps if you have a lot of friends that want to do things for you?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-02-17 14:31:53 UTC
Jenny Cameron wrote:
I don't really think EVE is a very casual player friendly game.

I'm playing for 2 years now but since i have less time I play a lot less. Things are just too time consuming.
Perhaps if you have a lot of friends that want to do things for you?


First of all, smart to advert account sharing on forum while it is against EULA.

2nd of all, not of a lot of time doesn't mean you can't do stuff. It only means you have less time to do thing, but there are loads of thigns you can do in just 30 minutes or so. True, more time will mean more income in general, and more experience in the game but it doesn't exclude you from anything if you only have 30 minutes

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Jenny Cameron
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#24 - 2012-02-17 15:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenny Cameron
J'Poll wrote:
Jenny Cameron wrote:
I don't really think EVE is a very casual player friendly game.

I'm playing for 2 years now but since i have less time I play a lot less. Things are just too time consuming.
Perhaps if you have a lot of friends that want to do things for you?


First of all, smart to advert account sharing on forum while it is against EULA.

2nd of all, not of a lot of time doesn't mean you can't do stuff. It only means you have less time to do thing, but there are loads of thigns you can do in just 30 minutes or so. True, more time will mean more income in general, and more experience in the game but it doesn't exclude you from anything if you only have 30 minutes

I was aiming at other people in your corp for instance, not account sharing.

And I'm also not talking about making ISK. I mean that for instance if I want to do an industrial job, it takes a very long time just to get the materials where I want them. And to get the stuff back to where i want to sell it. And hour of manual piloting in a sluggish transport ship because autopiloting will take 3 hours isn't my idea of casual fun.

Another example. A friends asks me to help do a mission, 25 jumps off. It's the same story. Especially in a battleship it takes a very long time of tedious manual jumping to get there - and back! Not having some sort of faster autopilot is just very casual player unfriendly.

Or if you're not into blue and red PvP because you also want to do things without being attacked. But you still want some occasional PvP. Roaming for a fight in lowsec may take hours, and the chance of finding someone who actually dares to fight or doesn't completely outnumber you is very small. I've had evenings that I just roamed for 3 hours and went to bed because everyone fled. Not having arena style pvp is just very casual unfriendly.

So no, I think most games are a lot more casual friendly than EVE.
malaire
#25 - 2012-02-17 15:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Jenny Cameron wrote:
And I'm also not talking about making ISK. I mean that for instance if I want to do an industrial job, it takes a very long time just to get the materials where I want them. And to get the stuff back to where i want to sell it. And hour of manual piloting in a sluggish transport ship because autopiloting will take 3 hours isn't my idea of casual fun.

Just use courier contracts.

Jenny Cameron wrote:
Another example. A friends asks me to help do a mission, 25 jumps off. It's the same story. Especially in a battleship it takes a very long time of tedious manual jumping to get there - and back! Not having some sort of faster autopilot is just very casual player unfriendly.

Just say "no". And suggest he might come closer for next missions. I would not travel 25 jumps in BS just to help in a mission, whether I have time or not.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-17 15:17:38 UTC
malaire wrote:
Jenny Cameron wrote:
And I'm also not talking about making ISK. I mean that for instance if I want to do an industrial job, it takes a very long time just to get the materials where I want them. And to get the stuff back to where i want to sell it. And hour of manual piloting in a sluggish transport ship because autopiloting will take 3 hours isn't my idea of casual fun.

Just use courier contracts.

Jenny Cameron wrote:
Another example. A friends asks me to help do a mission, 25 jumps off. It's the same story. Especially in a battleship it takes a very long time of tedious manual jumping to get there - and back! Not having some sort of faster autopilot is just very casual player unfriendly.

Just say "no". And suggest he might come closer for next missions. I would not travel 25 jumps in BS just to help in a mission, whether I have time or not.


On first part, or just buy the minerals at the spot your are producing the item, and that production should be close to your selling point.,

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#27 - 2012-02-17 15:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenny Cameron
malaire wrote:
Just use courier contracts.

Easier said than done. Firtsly you have to move around to get to the place where you can buy materials for the lowest price and where they sell the stuff you need at all. Or logout to use an alt. Then wait for hours until someone takes the contract and actually moves the stuff. Your day is already over and you still didn't do, produced or sold anything. Not my idea of "causal gameplay".

In most other games you get to any city with auction hall within little time. You can take or send stuff to yourself anywhere, instantly. Especially with alts it hardly takes time to move stuff around.

malaire wrote:
Just say "no". And suggest he might come closer for next missions. I would not travel 25 jumps in BS just to help in a mission, whether I have time or not.

Same here. If I play guildwars I can get anywhere within 5 minutes. Mmorpg's are also meant socialize and do things together, not to say no to friends or be forced to stay where they are because travel takes too long and prevents social gameplay.
J'Poll wrote:
On first part, or just buy the minerals at the spot your are producing the item, and that production should be close to your selling point.,

Well we both know that that leaves very little freedom to find a spot you fancy, doesn't it?

I do appreciate the richness of the extra dimension the local market stuff EVE brings, but let's not pretend it doesn't casue the game to be extremely sluggish, time consuming and thus casual player unfriendly.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
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#28 - 2012-02-17 15:46:11 UTC
Jenny Cameron wrote:
malaire wrote:
Just use courier contracts.

Easier said than done. Firtsly you have to move around to get to the place where you can buy materials for the lowest price and where they sell the stuff you need at all. Or logout to use an alt. Then wait for hours until someone takes the contract and actually moves the stuff. Your day is already over and you still didn't do, produced or sold anything. Not my idea of "causal gameplay".

In most other games you get to any city with auction hall within little time. You can take or send stuff to yourself anywhere, instantly. Especially with alts it hardly takes time to move stuff around.

malaire wrote:
Just say "no". And suggest he might come closer for next missions. I would not travel 25 jumps in BS just to help in a mission, whether I have time or not.

Same here. If I play guildwars I can get anywhere within 5 minutes. Mmorpg's are also meant socialize and do things together, not to say no to friends or be forced to stay where they are because travel takes too long and prevents social gameplay.
J'Poll wrote:
On first part, or just buy the minerals at the spot your are producing the item, and that production should be close to your selling point.,

Well we both know that that leaves very little freedom to find a spot you fancy, doesn't it?

I do appreciate the richness of the extra dimension the local market stuff EVE brings, but let's not pretend it doesn't casue the game to be extremely sluggish, time consuming and thus casual player unfriendly.


On the travel times, you do know there is something called jumpclones, so you can instantly move once every 24 no matter where you are located (unless your in wormhole space).

So that can cut down travel times, and if you have set times you and your RL friend do stuff together you can plan your clone jumps to it.

And I play EVE as casual player and as industrial player and I can tell you I make a good amount of profit by just logging in for 1 hour each day if it lets me, if I have to skip some days, too bad I make less profit but my buy and sell orders still continue to go.

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Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-02-19 08:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Devore Sekk
I don't think anyone can claim (or is attempting to do so) that EVE is a casual gamer's paradise. It is a complicated game with lots of depth, and requires cooperation and working with others the more you progress. But if you like flying internet spaceships, and in the MMOs space there's slim pickings, then you still have months of playtime before you even worry about time commitment.
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