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Disciples of Ston

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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#341 - 2013-07-19 19:55:48 UTC
DSTON appeals to the calmer minds and motives of those eager for justice and asks that restraint be used in any attempts to apprehend former Head of State, Tibus Heth. Given the recent issuance of Warrants for his arrest and the implicit nod given to anyone who might kill him in the act of apprehension, we feel this will become a violent free-for-all.

DSTON opposes the death penalty and supports methods to capture Mr. Heth that are non-lethal. Let Mr. Heth be brought to justice, but not through the barbarism of execution.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#342 - 2013-10-11 02:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:
Corporate News

Beginning tomorrow DSTON will be holding a working retreat on Saiso. I do not wish to either over state or under state the importance of this conference for our organization. We do not yet know if any significant changes will be made in our day to day operations. Personally, I anticipate that much will remain the same, but that some changes may be made that necessitate careful and even risky decisions be made.

Of particular focus will be the appalling situation in Khanid space. This is regarding what happens on board every Khanid Transport Storage station in the Khanid Kingdom. Khanid Transport Storage is a small corporation owned by the Khanid Military and Caldari Corporate interests. Its dealing in slavery is without exaggeration, savage. What, if any impact we can have on this situation will be a part of our focus during the retreat.

We have suffered a recent setback in our efforts to repatriate our Matriculation population. This is due to loss of contact with an important representative from another organization. This contact provided confidential assistance that was immeasurable in our efforts to return former slaves home. We are working on establishing other bridges.

At the close of our retreat, I will be providing a summary update.


No summary update has been received despite the passage of time. It has been quite a long retreat, even by devout Amarr standards. What has happened? Perhaps after such a long period of relection and mediation you have realized the illegality of your operations and the hostility of the locals, as even Khanid based capsuleers as disparate as Makkal and Silas demonstrate, places the continuing viability of your enterprise and decided to cease your interference into the Kingdom's internal affairs?
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#343 - 2013-10-11 13:11:39 UTC
Ms. Aspenstar
I apologise for any confusion due to a lack of specific report on this thread. I left the task of reporting to Mr. Momaki and I believe he made several references to the retreat and follow-up on the "Matriculation" thread. This post summarizes our continued involvement with KSAF in Khanid space. Our plan is to ready our Centers to receive and care for any and all Matriculants that come to us through KSAF.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Provost, DSTON Academic Learning Center

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#344 - 2013-10-14 22:42:56 UTC
Corporation Public Brief

Under the direction of the DSTON Development office and in an effort to streamline our operations for optimal security and function, we have moved all administrative operations to our Yulai office. I will be dividing my time between administrative duties there and teaching duties in Edmal...

Thank you.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Provost, DSTON Academic Learning Center

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Innocent Mind
Alexylva Paradox
#345 - 2013-10-15 14:29:08 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:

No summary update has been received despite the passage of time. It has been quite a long retreat, even by devout Amarr standards. What has happened? Perhaps after such a long period of relection and mediation you have realized the illegality of your operations and the hostility of the locals, as even Khanid based capsuleers as disparate as Makkal and Silas demonstrate, places the continuing viability of your enterprise and decided to cease your interference into the Kingdom's internal affairs?


*Slow clap* You're right, being smug is way better than just quietly waiting 7 days for the thread to fade into lock oblivion.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#346 - 2013-10-15 14:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:
Ms. Aspenstar
I apologise for any confusion due to a lack of specific report on this thread. I left the task of reporting to Mr. Momaki and I believe he made several references to the retreat and follow-up on the "Matriculation" thread. This post summarizes our continued involvement with KSAF in Khanid space. Our plan is to ready our Centers to receive and care for any and all Matriculants that come to us through KSAF.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Provost, DSTON Academic Learning Center


I see, so you are persisting in your misguided efforts. Below are some specific grievances/concerns about the Disciples of Ston I've attempted to discuss with one of your apologists, a certain Che Biko. Mr. Biko has regrettably, not been available to continue our debate as to those points (in all candor and charity, I hope he is well, it was an interesting chat), so perhaps it is best to take it to the source.

These concerns/questions go the core issue of whether the Disciples of Ston believe they are above the laws of the Empires and Concord and are simply pirates/lawbreakers of another name:

One, the Disciples of Ston's services are nowhere near neutral. For instance, the Disiplies have no issue flaunting the laws of the Empire or Kingdom as is blatantly admitted.

Two, [REDACTED]

Third, [REDACTED]

Fourth, to the extent the slaves are lawfully so and Amarr, the Disciples of Ston are engaging in cultural triumphalism and are depriving them of their chance for salvation to the extent that they are not lawfully repatriated. In that regard, it is suggested that the Disciplies should return those lawful slaves to either baseline or Amarr capsuleer loyalist organizations who can ensure they are repatriated to their original location or placed in an alternative and appropriate one if necessary so that their path to Salvation is uninterrupted.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Note -Redacted items being left to private discussion. Mr. Biko was previously apprised of them.
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#347 - 2013-10-21 05:26:22 UTC
Greetings,

This information, story, whatever this may be has become very disheartening to me - what is this talk of slave trading? Leaving slaves and poor people in cans awaiting hope for a new freedom? I am at a loss here...

Altho I do not venture forth to such areas I would need more, say, private enterprise and do some research into this; Caldari Slave Traders?

Ston...what is going on here perhaps a direct message to me is needed I cannot talk further I am so upset at this news...

I will soon be travelling to the Caldari State to meet with some high councils and offer some miniscule trade agreements.

Altho I have just started school, I may be of some assistance.

I have ventures in that neck of the woods as they say...and I will say no more.

But what I will say is that I cannot accept no person suriving in space in such horrid conditions; If I had to make 33 trips; I would.

Darian Sad
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#348 - 2013-11-15 21:10:03 UTC
Corporation News:

As of today, all Matriculants from the Bahromab center have been transferred to the Kaaputenen center. The total transferred is 5697 residents. Ston Momaki conducted the transfer operation but was instructed to not report the operation until completed. This was due to recent bounty hunter attacks directed against him while on patrol. At the same time that the resident transfer was taking place, we have also transferred all of our weapons and ammunition confiscation stocks to the Bahromab facility. Now that this is complete, residents and confiscation storage are completely separate. The other reason for the resident transfer is that the Kaaputenen center has much superior agri-dome facilities that are very accessible to the residential infrastructure. We wanted all of our residents to have the advantage of access to the Agri-dome facilities. This transfer also allows us to make better use of available staff while spreading the workload out. All in all, it is a better arrangement for all. The Bahromab center will now be strictly for weapons and ammunition confiscation storage. All residential facilities and staff will be moved to the Kaaputenen center.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#349 - 2013-11-15 22:48:50 UTC
Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh, I am still waiting for a reply. It's been another 30 days. I did speak with Mr. Biko, with respect to my two most serious concerns (redacted on the IGS), he too didn't know the answers and was troubled by their implications if a satisfactory response was not to be had. If you'd prefer to discuss privately - as I suggested - please do not hesitate to contact me. otherwise, I will assume that your lack of transparency is hiding some rather severe.... problems.
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#350 - 2013-11-15 23:49:22 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:
Ms. Aspenstar
I apologise for any confusion due to a lack of specific report on this thread. I left the task of reporting to Mr. Momaki and I believe he made several references to the retreat and follow-up on the "Matriculation" thread. This post summarizes our continued involvement with KSAF in Khanid space. Our plan is to ready our Centers to receive and care for any and all Matriculants that come to us through KSAF.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Provost, DSTON Academic Learning Center


I see, so you are persisting in your misguided efforts. Below are some specific grievances/concerns about the Disciples of Ston I've attempted to discuss with one of your apologists, a certain Che Biko. Mr. Biko has regrettably, not been available to continue our debate as to those points (in all candor and charity, I hope he is well, it was an interesting chat), so perhaps it is best to take it to the source.

These concerns/questions go the core issue of whether the Disciples of Ston believe they are above the laws of the Empires and Concord and are simply pirates/lawbreakers of another name:

One, the Disciples of Ston's services are nowhere near neutral. For instance, the Disiplies have no issue flaunting the laws of the Empire or Kingdom as is blatantly admitted.

Two, [REDACTED]

Third, [REDACTED]

Fourth, to the extent the slaves are lawfully so and Amarr, the Disciples of Ston are engaging in cultural triumphalism and are depriving them of their chance for salvation to the extent that they are not lawfully repatriated. In that regard, it is suggested that the Disciplies should return those lawful slaves to either baseline or Amarr capsuleer loyalist organizations who can ensure they are repatriated to their original location or placed in an alternative and appropriate one if necessary so that their path to Salvation is uninterrupted.

I look forward to your thoughts.

Note -Redacted items being left to private discussion. Mr. Biko was previously apprised of them.


I respond to you against my better judgment but please understand that I do not intend to engage in an extended argument with you. Past experience has shown that the arguments over slavery tend to become protracted exercises in futility. We demonstrate our belief by what we do. Judge as you will.

Regarding #1 You are correct; we are not neutral with regards to many things. The Disciples of Ston are not neutral regarding slavery. We do not believe it is right to enslave others. We are pacifistic so we are not neutral regarding violence and war.
Regarding #4 It is not possible to answer your objection on the basis of your stated religious position, because we do not share that particular belief. You believe we "should" return slaves to slavery. We believe we "should not." (see #1) It a bit ironic that you should charge us with cultural triumphalism given the rather culturally triumphant way in which the charge is stated.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#351 - 2013-11-19 22:06:32 UTC
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:


I respond to you against my better judgment but please understand that I do not intend to engage in an extended argument with you. Past experience has shown that the arguments over slavery tend to become protracted exercises in futility. We demonstrate our belief by what we do. Judge as you will.

Regarding #1 You are correct; we are not neutral with regards to many things. The Disciples of Ston are not neutral regarding slavery. We do not believe it is right to enslave others. We are pacifistic so we are not neutral regarding violence and war.
Regarding #4 It is not possible to answer your objection on the basis of your stated religious position, because we do not share that particular belief. You believe we "should" return slaves to slavery. We believe we "should not." (see #1) It a bit ironic that you should charge us with cultural triumphalism given the rather culturally triumphant way in which the charge is stated.


I see. I suppose you have your views, and I have mine.

Be that as it may, do you impose those views on the "rescued" or do you give them the opportunity if they choose to return to their former lives, and their road to Salvation, with their familty, friends, and other loved ones? Would you be willing to allow an Amarr Clergyperson to meet with them privately before they make their choice, to ensure that their choice is made freely and without coercion?

P.S. I would still be delighted to chat over tea the redacted items 2 and 3 with you or Ston. While they are the heart of my concerns, I do not think airing them on IGS is productive.
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#352 - 2013-11-22 14:38:19 UTC
Dr. Nalthkh is busy administering Semester Finals right now and probably won't be on this forum for some time. I don't think he minds me responding here.

Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:

Be that as it may, do you impose those views on the "rescued" or do you give them the opportunity if they choose to return to their former lives, and their road to Salvation, with their familty, friends, and other loved ones? Would you be willing to allow an Amarr Clergyperson to meet with them privately before they make their choice, to ensure that their choice is made freely and without coercion?


I wish I could always say that I have adequately learned from mistakes made in the past. One such mistake has been to enter into protracted debates on slavery on this forum. I may be risking a repeat of that mistake by responding here. Hopefully not.

We have covered this information before but perhaps it is good to repeat it now and then. Among the millions in slavery within the Amarr Empire, there is segment that are not kept by religious holders motivated as you describe. It is reasonable to assume and confirmed anecdotally that an Holder concerned about the "spiritual journey" of his slaves, would not sell them and ship them off illegally across borders at the hands of unscrupulous and irreligious capsuleers. Those we rescue have no religious holders to return to, at least rarely so. As has been stated, on the rare occasions when they do, we have facilitated their return or their re-establishment with a different holder. This is of their own volition, of course.

Do we provide access to Amarrian religious services? Yes. The Matriculation community is diverse in its spirituality. We don't believe we coerce anyone. However, just because I say that doesn't make it true. I admit that the Amarrian clergy that we employ are on the liberal side of the slavery issue. While I am trying to put myself in your shoes, Ms. Aspenstar, and feel your doubts; you might also put yourself in my shoes and feel my doubts about employing conservative Amarrian clergy. They might just as well attempt to coerce our Matriculants. So, I admit some tension.

Bottom line is that we are aware and sensitive to the religious needs and desires of the Matriculant Community. If you have some particular clergy in mind, perhaps a first step would be to have them come and meet with our clergy staff first and then perhaps visit as a guest speaker or liturgist sometime.

As far as your redacted questions are concerned, feel free to send them to me as an eve-mail.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#353 - 2013-11-27 14:27:48 UTC
Very early this morning, 01:40 hours, I bade farewell to the crew of the DSS Assist as they prepared ship and store for the arrival of her new Captain. Today, Academic Provost, Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh became Captain Nalthkh of the DSS Assist rescue boat. We have waited for this a long time and have pushed Dr. Nalthkh to train to help in the rescue work. He has resisted, but has picked away at his own education while educating others. Now he is ready to split duties and Captain this vessel.

The reason DSTON maintained and crewed identical vessels, the DSS Mayflower and the DSS Assist was for this very purpose. There are places in the cluster that we have not been able to patrol for lack of a qualified pilot. Now we have one. After a short shakedown cruise, the DSS Assist will deploy on patrol duty along the Mandate/Republic border. Like Ashokon, it is a low volume crossing but one that sees occasional deathcans. Captain Nalthkh will be close enough to Edmal to keep up on academic duties and patrol as well.

Crew chief, Commander Iofi says that the crew of the Assist is ready to serve under Captain Nalthkh. Captain Nalthkh has said that he is eager to serve the crew of the Assist and those who may need rescue along the border zone on the Mandate side. Using the specific techniques already in place dictates that the ship's base will be in Odatric on the Republic side. The Assist will maintain a flexible deployment and will be ready to move from location to location depending on the presenting situation. We have not done a long-term study on the frequency of deathcans at that border. However, Dr. Nalthkh himself has conducted occasional rescues albeit in unprotected ships. The Assist will give us far better equipment and crew for such work.

Fly Safe Captain Nalthkh.

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#354 - 2013-12-05 19:44:41 UTC
Then: Non-violent because I had to.
Now: Non-violent because I choose to be.

Some time ago I made a total fool of myself in a fit of frustrated rage. I acted in a manner that brought shame not only on myself but upon my colleagues. After many positive and rewarding experiences with the Disciples of Ston including a stretch as CEO, I had reached a place of self-doubt. I trace it back to my voluval and the mark of my destiny being the Sankofa. I had not embraced this destiny even though the spirits had given it to me. I had expected a more "manly" mark and destiny. Instead I received one of deep nurture and one that suggested a non-violent way of life. This is not the typical way of the Matari and I felt the tension. The Disciples required a non-violent life as part of our code of conduct. Subconsciously I began to chafe against this requirement. It came to a boil one evening after a repatriation run that resulted in a customs fine of significant amount. I mentioned it in passing on the Summit channel and ended up in a fury of words against some who had spoken critically of me. My actions were reported to the corporation and I was asked to resign as a part of discipline for my actions. Since that time, I have been operating my own Corporation (Repatriation Transportation Services). What I have not before reported is that since completing basic training that I left when first joining the Disciples, I have functioned in a non-violent way; this time out of choice. In exploring the Sankofa, I have come to peace with its implications. I feel no longer compelled from without but rather compelled from within by the spirit of Sankofa.

Recently I have been assisting the Disciples of Ston with an expansion of their rescue patrols. so, in communication with Ston and with Dr. Nalthkh and with their approval, I am re-submitting my application to join the Disciples of Ston once again. Upon their approval and acceptance, I will join their efforts as a rescue patrol pilot. The RTS corporation will close.

SANKOFA

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
#355 - 2013-12-05 22:37:04 UTC
Welcome home, Manwe.

((The Disciples of Ston bid Rest in Peace to a true hero for all time and for all peoples everywhere. You now belong to the ages, Nelson Mandela))

The Disciples of Ston bid you peace

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#356 - 2013-12-08 01:26:04 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Fourth, to the extent the slaves are lawfully so and Amarr, the Disciples of Ston are engaging in cultural triumphalism and are depriving them of their chance for salvation to the extent that they are not lawfully repatriated. In that regard, it is suggested that the Disciplies should return those lawful slaves to either baseline or Amarr capsuleer loyalist organizations who can ensure they are repatriated to their original location or placed in an alternative and appropriate one if necessary so that their path to Salvation is uninterrupted.


It's not like they're invading our space, attacking our worlds, raping, pillaging and murdering everyone in their way in the name of "freedom" like the Republic does. If a slave's owner dumps a slave into a jetcan then I'm pretty they've given up all legal rights to them. Returning a slave to such an owner wouldn't bring them any closer to Salvation, either. Neither would letting them slowly suffocate. Such a person clearly places no value on either the slave's life or eternal soul and can no longer be trusted with either.

Being that's the case, I have no problem with what the Disciples do for a living. They keep their guns holstered and they're saving lives. Getting mad at them would be like getting mad at the Sisters of EvE, y'know? Besides, I'm constantly finding survivors lost in space myself, and I don't like it when they turn our hangers into a tent-village and eat all our food. They've provided for me a way to get all these people out of my hair while keeping my conscience clear.


http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
#357 - 2013-12-17 22:46:13 UTC
NEW SEARCH AND RESCUE VESSEL TO BE COMMISSIONED

I am pleased to report that the Disciples of Ston have commissioned the construction and fitting of a new search and rescue vessel. In the past, we have obtained all of our operating vessels used, donated, or through individual corporate members bringing them along to work, so to speak. Never before have we commissioned new construction. So we are quite excited to report that we have laid the keel of a new Stratios cruiser.

We hope in days to come to have the equipment to operate in lower security areas should the need arise. One of our members, Manwe Todako has spent a short time in syndicate space and will be in charge of the initial fitting of the ship after its construction is complete with a view to operating in null security conditions. She will be moored in our corporate hangar in Yulai and will be assigned to authorized pilots as needed.

One advantage that we possess is the ability to use every power slot, all fifteen, plus rig slots to outfit the vessel for stealth, protection and escape. We will have no need to save any room for weapons of offense of any kind. We believe that this vessel will offer us new flexibility for a number of anticipated and yet unanticipated situations and areas of operation.

Two anonymous donors are worthy of our gratitude; one who donated the blueprint and one who donated materials for construction and manufacturing expertise. DSTON bows in gratitude.

We have not yet named the new ship and want to give it considerable thought before deciding on a name to be prefixed "DSS__________" Anyone with 'ahem' appropriate suggestions is welcome to give input.

Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#358 - 2013-12-17 23:06:18 UTC
Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:
NEW SEARCH AND RESCUE VESSEL TO BE COMMISSIONED

"DSS Duke Cal Gunnin" .

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#359 - 2013-12-18 18:05:45 UTC
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#360 - 2013-12-18 21:31:45 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
DSS Ekstasi or DSS Rapture

Ekstasi would be good. I feel Rapture has been done to death though....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.