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Convicted for ingame stealing
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Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-02-06 14:28:55 UTC
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
You go right ahead and let me know when CCP signs a contract granting you ownership of your own items....


Reading is difficult isnt it?
The verdict doesnt speak of ownership it speaks of " rightholder’s control ".

And : " Within the game environment the victim had exclusive de facto control over the objects in question. "

" He lost that control as a result of the actions of the defendant and his co-accused.
The Supreme Court concluded that these actions amounted to theft."


Almost as hard as using google for 2 seconds to do a minute amount of research:

World English Dictionary wrote:

theft (θɛft)

— n
1. criminal law the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession


Theft requires ownership. The court was wrong, because the defense attorney was too stupid to bring the EULA into evidence to have the theft charges dropped in the appeal, and it is not the judges' job to FIND the evidence for themselves, they just analyze the evidence brought in by the attorneys.

You're talking about common law systems such as U.K. and the U.S. In civil law systems such as most of the rest of the world have, judges do question the parties and find evidence. And your idiot EULA argument is just whacked. Sorry mate, in addition to just being unpleasant, you don't know WTH you're talking about.
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#82 - 2012-02-06 14:52:09 UTC
Stop arguing.

Do something so they take your stuff away and then (attempt to) SUE the game company in question (I honestly dont' care if its EVE, Runescape, or some other completely random one - you pick).

Post your case.

If I'm wrong I'll apologize, if I'm right I'll laugh at you. P

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
price pig
Suidae United
#83 - 2012-02-06 15:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: price pig
This case followed the ruling of 1921 case, when a man was accused of stealing electricity. He claimed it wasn't stealing because electricity wasn't a good. The judge saw that different. And the difference between owner (CCP) and possessor (eve-player) doesn't make it any less theft.
Valei Khurelem
#84 - 2012-02-06 18:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
If you threaten someone for goods that don't exist with in real life with a weapon then you not only deserve to go to jail but the courts should seriously consider putting you in an asylum as well since you clearly aren't capable of telling the difference between reality and a video game. People like this are what make people who are against video game violence so convincing but really they're just crazies that would have been set off by something else anyway even without the help of video games.

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