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how to kill a hulk solo in high sec

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#21 - 2012-02-01 15:02:20 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Spank blew up my Hulk but he needed the help of 3 other people to do it...

inb4 Spank bans me from every ingame channel he has mod too.

Oh wait spank already did that when I pointed out he cant run for CSM.


1. Boo hoo.
2. Cry more.
3. I am perfectly eligible to run for CSM but have expressed zero interest in doing so. Even so, I have recieved infinitely more pledges for votes than you have with all your pathetic cross posting and embarrasing tryhard videos you make about it.
4. You were banned for being nauseatingly stalkerish and not contributing anything else of worth to the channel. Feel free to **** up any other channel you like.
5. This is the last time I will speak with you and I suggest you get over your unhealthy obsessions.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#22 - 2012-02-01 15:03:22 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca, you'll need to bring more firepower and demonstrate the futility of their efforts.


Fixed that for ya.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#23 - 2012-02-01 15:22:48 UTC
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????


No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default


aye, though their gankers seem to suffer from the same problem. " Kill 3 or more and you are making some real ISK.", sounds just so ... miner like.

Remove insurance.
Tikera Tissant
#24 - 2012-02-01 17:12:17 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Tikera Tissant wrote:
It really depends on the fittings of the hulk.

A smart hulkaggedon hulk, with support, will have almost 25K EHP, which means you are lucking and in 0.5, you will not be able to kill him without blowing up.


A hulk can pull off more than 25K EHP if it is in fleet with a well-trained Orca pilot providing boosts from the following modules:

Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Hormonizing
Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvering

That's not taking overheat into account.


I know.
But 99.9% of the mining ops fleet will not use all of these modules.
They will use either all the mining modules from a single orca, or the two major ones and a tractor beam.

That is why 25K is the most of the time the max you will see on a hulk, unless its low sec/null or a very big ops, in which case they might also have extra help.

But still most miners won't max out the skills to get that much EHP anyway as far as I have seen.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#25 - 2012-02-01 20:24:55 UTC
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????


No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default



That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP.

That MINDSET.

It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2012-02-01 20:25:54 UTC
Of course....if they come with a Typhoon fitted with 8 smartbombs or whatnot....all bets are off ! P

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
#27 - 2012-02-01 20:38:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????


No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default



That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP.

That MINDSET.

It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference.



Well, you see..

One of them is in a video game about spaceships, the other is real life.

I'd ask you to stop being an idiot, but seeing as you think mining in high sec is a profitable activity... Probably not a good call.

Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-02-01 21:03:51 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Don't bother if they have 2 Meta (X) Invulns and 5 Shield Rep Drones buzzing about from the support Orca. ';;'

This actually applies to Macks as well, as 'someone' recently found out.


these are the best kills because one shot from a tornado oughta do it and then since they thought they were safe they're furious

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-02-01 21:05:20 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????


No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default



That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP.

That MINDSET.

It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference.


i'm a war criminal irl

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-02-01 21:41:07 UTC
**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills.
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#31 - 2012-02-01 21:58:20 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills.


I wasn't even aware that Hello Kitty *had* a PvP mode....let alone one where you could easily rampage through and slaughter other players on a whim.....Shocked

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
Frillo Teslar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-02-01 23:43:56 UTC
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
**** miners, have NPC seed minerals at outragous prices to create a new isk sink and remove exhumers from game. Problem solved. No more lossing your expensive paper thin tank ships which the only reason to fly them is to act the part of a goat tied down to an asteroid field and just die (like that scene from Jurrasic Park), no more easier KM padding and you hurt their precious gamer score because they now have to play the game on more then Hello Kitty Mode for easy kills.


I wasn't even aware that Hello Kitty *had* a PvP mode....let alone one where you could easily rampage through and slaughter other players on a whim.....Shocked


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYI_S0vDU8

Looks awesome...
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#33 - 2012-02-02 00:06:47 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:

Oh, you can easily do this in crowded 0.7 ice belts. In theory, things could get pretty ugly in 0.5. You could probably manage to kill 6+ per Tornado there, but finding enough targets can be difficult....



Come to Nakugard / Barkrik, there's a bunch of hulks and mackinaws.

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#34 - 2012-02-02 10:14:54 UTC
I suck at hyperlinking....

I think the best I've done is 4x Macks in 0.7, though I've could have managed more on a couple occasions, but either ran out of ammo or the targets warped out (forcing me to stop - or just wasting a Retriever or an industrial.)

but going Hulk-Hulk-Mackinaw is also quite common. My theory is that I was being held back somewhat by crappy laggy internet in Alaska. (IE, sluggish controls and 2 second delays lead to rampages being cut short when dealing with near instant Concord/faction police response time)

Having recently relocated to Scandinavia and upgrade to a T3 - I can now test my theory. Also, 0.5 systems are much more forgiving, and give a significantly larger time buffer.

Anyway, that Krixtal dude is a frigging moron because he spouts off without knowing anything, and then when confronted with proof he just denies it exists.

Yes, everyone knows you can kill tons of Exhumers with a SB Battleship. The problem is you are limited to targets piled on top of each other within 5km - and to do it solo they must have a weak tank. Although with LVL V Smartbombing skills, you can take down weakly tanked Hulks solo as well.

Tornados can kill multiple targets spaced as far apart as 100km, if you warp-in correctly.

So, cheapest solo gank
- T2 Blaster Catalyst (but you are limited to lightly tanked Macks or untanked Hulks in forgiving sec regions)

Most effective solo ganker:
- T2 Tornado, can chain-kill multiple, widely spaced targets of both the tanked and untanked variety.

Best Orca killers:
-T2 Talos, massive DPS means a few of these can tear down your average 'Jetcan' Orca.

Also-rans:
Brutix - limited to single targets
Thorax - limited to single targets, also vulnerable to faction police.
Thrasher - best Destroyer alpha, but for killing Exhumers, the 700DPS Catalyst now far surpasses it.
Tempest/Apoc - old standard, no reason to use these since the release of the Tornado. Too expensive, don't fit in Orcas.
Lex Fasces
New Eden Renegades
#35 - 2012-02-02 12:35:28 UTC
so i see your tactics. you are using groups of 2 guns? or getting a second volley off with groups of 4. although in a 0.7 you probably wont get a second volley which means you are more liely to be going 4 groups of 2 guns. and you pop stuff at the same time meaning volleys off within 5 seconds of eachother.

question is:

how are you making money off this? a nado fit up like yours is costing around 70-80m.

if you only pop 3 then you are still gonna lose a lot of isk simply because t2 salvage isnt guaranteed...

we popped 5 macks yesterday and not a single one dropped t2 salvage. my alt has t1 salvagers with salvage 4 and 3 rigs on though. do you get an increased chance of t2 salvage by having level 5 and t2 salvagers? or does it just make it faster to get the chance...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2012-02-02 14:16:00 UTC
Admiral Pelleon wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Keltaris Cesaille wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


And who is going to believe whom ? The 'innocent' miner....or the padded KB monkey ????


No such thing as an innocent miner, they are all guilty of stupidity by default



That mindset is THE major issue ingame. Not mining, not ganking, not PvP.

That MINDSET.

It's the same as people who kill innocent civilians during wartime. No difference.



Well, you see..

One of them is in a video game about spaceships, the other is real life.

I'd ask you to stop being an idiot, but seeing as you think mining in high sec is a profitable activity... Probably not a good call.



And POINT to where EXACTLY I even hinted at that. Liar. God these boards suck.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#37 - 2012-02-02 14:30:43 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:

You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.



This is the FIRST time. Liar. As usual.

BTW, the Naga pops the Macks MUCH faster.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#38 - 2012-02-02 14:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Cebraio wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Unfortunately, the KB just flipped over to February and doesn't like linking directly to Buck Futz's January's total. Its all there though. Tornados rip through Exhumers like a knife through butter.


Linking V lets you still see the last 10 kills.

On 27-01 at 23:13 he seems to have killed three Mackinaws and a Bestower in one run.

Only Mackinaws, not Hulks, but still a nice achievement.



EXACTLY.....and I scooped up the other Ice Harvesters and other mods from those other kills which made me the profit. Thanks for finding that.

They were in the other ship that got popped....just not on killmail as they didn't fire I guess, and were popped for being fleeted.....sometimes they don't show up on Killmails.

BTW, the killmail has vanished from Battleclinic...and the only one findable is in the Tear extraction KB.

AND...a cheetah had been scanning the belt 3 minutes before the gank...and was present in belt also when the gank happened.

Just slightly suspicious alterations here obviously.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#39 - 2012-02-02 14:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Oh....and here is the mature mail you get from herr Wilkus afterwards. What a CHILD.


hahaha
From: Herr Wilkus
Sent: 2011.01.31 00:21
To: Infinitio Krystallos, Krixtal Icefluxor,

u got ganked hard. you suck ass. I might have to pay you additional visits in the future cause that was fun.



Just soooo......frightening.........NOT. ROFL

Was hilarious reading with suddenly 50,000,000 in Orca cargo I didn't have before.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#40 - 2012-02-02 15:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:

You are the one that was obviously upset about it, as you scream about it everytime I post on the subject.



This is the FIRST time. Liar. As usual.

BTW, the Naga pops the Macks MUCH faster.


Hmmm, lets see. Well, how about this thread, for starters? Posted 12.25.
I seem to recall others too, but can't be bothered to go looking for them. Either way, whoops, guess that makes YOU the liar.
Read post #20.

http://eve-search.com/thread/50426-1/page/1

As far as the other bullcrap you are posting, no there were no other ganks, just your Mackinaw.
Since you seem confused:

-Cheetah scanned you, then cloaked 15km away.
-Tempest warped to Cheetah.
-Tempest killed your Mackinaw.
-Tempest died, Cheetah salvaged and looted it, and would have looted the Mack, but your Orca already did that.

You lost a fully Fit Mack, and recovered some of your mods. As I said, good for you, but hardly profitable on your end.

There were no other Mackinaws to loot and salvage, as Tempests were not regularly able to pop more than one target at a time. Tornados, whether you accept it or not, can.