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Why do much hate for solo players on this forum
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NaturalBeast
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-02-01 07:18:43 UTC
I don't think it's negative feedback for solo players. Its more about reward for teamwork than solowork.

Speaking from personal experience, this game does suck solo. But I understand the time constraints. I am in the same boat as you. Don't get hung up on the forums. It's really just a big mind frak. Players have figured out that CCP spends alot of time here gathering data. That's why you will notice alot of "whine" posts. These are really clever attempts at lobbying CCP into changing something about the game. Mostly about ships and fittings but sometimes you will get a faked story about how they got solo'd by a single ship and how bad ass they are and need to be nerfed. You can smell the BS in the title but it plants the seed. And thats how nerf bats get formed in many cases.

Just enjoy whatever free time you have in game and play your way. Nobody really cares in the end but you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-02-01 07:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Karn Dulake wrote:
Try living in Neckbeard/Goon space. Those guys are so bored they will deploy the entire fleet to find you. Or try making a living in Russian space you will get to see plenty of carriers on the screen.

I don't know about the Russians, but the people who camp our gates ERRYDAY probably noticed we don't seem to give much of a damn for their 20-man camp.

At least camping a lowsec entrance gate gets some killmails, not just docked people trying to chat to you or posting great things in local ("I hear you like POS shoots from your propaganda video")

EDIT: Well if you happen to tackle someone in a belt, then yeah, there might be some repercussions. Or if a roam is forming up and you're nearby, similar. A killmail here or there is a great way to start off a roam.
Karn Dulake wrote:
Lastly, the best pvpers in this game are solo players and this is well known. They choose a ship and max it out. They spend lots of time on sisi working out exactly what the ship can do and the best set ups and then they set traps or roam knowing that they can use the ship to its maximum capacity.

We are not ~elite pvp~, we just follow orders, so I suppose this is true. I did hear stories a few times about this mega alliance of super elite pvpers though. And a massive struggle that continues to this day in various forms.

Though Machariels are reimbursable now... albeit with a crazy long list of reqs, but hey there you have it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2012-02-01 08:11:52 UTC
I would not say that the playerbase at large hates solo players.

It's just those who have sacrificed their fun in this game for slave-lifestyle choices in pursuit of PVP or ISK.

Like someone who has a rotten life or is too fat who hates happy or fit people, for example.


Very often solo play is associated with exploration, which is the one profession that everybody in the game does, from ganker to carebear, and likes. Running level 4's solo might garner some criticism, but it's equally accepted as a means to get a dozen mil ISK or two in an evening to raise funds.


I think that the most vocal "solo haters" are those who really wish they had more freedom, but having invested time and ego into being in a corporation or 0.0 rentership, will, like parents who get stuck on child worship (for fear their kids won't feel loved or something), look down on those who don't have kids or don't pester to government the further idiotproof the world "for the children".


CCP hates solo players, but in so doing they only make solo playing more challenging and fun.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#24 - 2012-02-01 08:29:02 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
TL:DR go **** yourself


Beacause people want you to be in there blobs, for them there is no PvP it's BvB or BvP or BvSG(small gang)...

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#25 - 2012-02-01 08:29:35 UTC
Yeah the biggest haters of solo players seems to be CCP, probably because they rely a lot on the social side of their game to retain players.

Every MMO forum has the special people that think because it's an MMO only grouped play is valid, but following their own rational it's "massively multiplayer", not simply multiplayer, therefore only valid way of playing is in a massive group of hundreds of players. Yeah, well that's my best attempt at arguing with stupid.. probably best to just ignore them.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-02-01 09:35:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
TL;DR: Bullshit. CCP doesn't hate solo players, it only hates whining morons !

I'm a solo player, but there actually is nothing like a solo player in EvE.

I buy stuff from other people, i talk to other people,
i sell stuff to other people, i invade missions of other people,
i take stuff from other people, i destroy ships/pods of other people.

I just do it ... solo ... but that's the only solo thing about it.

People who really play "solo" and don't talk to anybody,
don't want to interact with anybody, (but buy stuff from others),
and WHINE if others are trying to play with them by whatever means,
these are actually sad people ... because it's an MMO.
It's not meant to be played ISOLATED ! (which is not the same as solo!)

The whining about solo players really gets on my nerve...
... and that's from a solo player.

There's nothing wrong with the game for people like me,
it's just that people believe there is "no" content for them,
although that's only their fault,
because content is made by everybody, even the solo player !

RubyPorto wrote:
Solo freaks are awesome. They tend to either be totally silent or really friendly after a fight/whatever, and I don't think I've ever met one who's a straight up jerk. (I'm talking about the exclusive solo roam guys, not solo-pve types).
Right on the spot !
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#27 - 2012-02-01 10:26:10 UTC
My sentiment exactly. Kiss my pixels. Solo is fun. Although, I'm not always solo... BUT STILL.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#28 - 2012-02-01 10:39:43 UTC
I'm pleased that RubyPorto posted some sense since the OP doesn't really seem to know what he is talking about.

How is it you claim people solo because of time restraints then also claim we spend hours on sisi in testing?

People solo for many reasons that gave nothing to do with time management issues.

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#29 - 2012-02-01 12:41:27 UTC
I am a Solo player....

And I can see where a lot of the hate comes from. I can show you right now....

This thread for example.

Atticus Fynch wrote:
EVE is not geared towards solo play. I would like to see more support for the solo player.

ie. purchase concord escort service for example.

For the solo and one man corps players out there, what kind of features would you like implemented?



Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-02-01 13:42:54 UTC
There do exist corps for the sparadic time zone player, who plays when her/she can for as long as she/he can till RL calls :)

This IS a mmorpg and IS aimed at getting players togther to achieve things they would have barly any hope of doing solo, its kinda natural to have "hate" for real soloists.

Eve is a game about the players as much as it is about goals and pastimes, look a bit harder and you'll find you can be a part of somthing bigger while having your play time as random or as short as you like.

Besides eves A LOT more fun when theres like minded fellows to explore it with.

Soloers arnt hated, they are laughed at - tbh.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#31 - 2012-02-01 15:44:55 UTC
Though to be honest while wearing my lone-wolf status on my sleeve, I did join up in, and have loads of fun with, the fleets for taking down the incursion motherships. I did it for that cause of improving and fixing incursions.


If group play could be construed as "selling out" to the MMO concept, perhaps everybody has a price. Something will get people to group up. I think live events are the best example if that, and I have seen people who would call themselves highsec-hugging carebears in lowsec live event fleets.


Hopefully CCP takes notes if they have some agenda to "force" group play of sorts. Epic game content will do that, and if made to answer for that later, we could say we were well played and better off for it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2012-02-01 15:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Beacause people want you to be in there blobs, for them there is no PvP it's BvB or BvP or BvSG(small gang)...

250Pv250P combat, yeah. Confirmed training to get blown up as primary about 5s into the fight. If you do see me, I should be in a convenient location in the target list for you to select and target my ship. Please deliver explosions directly to shield.

P.S. If you can wait for a logi to start shield transfers that would be great. Don't worry if you're being time dilated like crazy, because that's CCP loving us and making it easier for both of us.


There's also BvPOS, and even TvS (titan vs structure). I admit I do not have a supercap, but I will do my best to shoot pos for you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2012-02-01 16:32:09 UTC
Dear Sir and/or Ma'am

I have been playing solo ever since I retried from GW1 (well GW1.5 imo) and the amount of hate I feel aimed at me is more of the question if I am a furball or if I really use crayons. Never for being a solo player.

At least being a solo player I get to learn all sorts of mistakes myself instead of watching others perform it for me.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-02-01 16:38:49 UTC
Maybe it's because people see it like joining a football team and then spending all your time playing "keepy uppys" on the side line.

That an X3 is an awesome game where you can do so much more as a solo person than you can in eve.

but, egh, each to their own

I might log in alot but I have a similar life style to you and yet I'm still in a corp, still chat to people and still maintan a lifestyle.
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