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I Know the main reason CCP will not touch the Bot monster.

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Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-31 19:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Stonecrusher Mortlock
They have come to a conclusion that there is a acceptable ammout of botting needed to keep EvE working.



CCP Sreegs assured the CSM that botting/RMT'ing is still being handled with the same frequency as it has been in the past, and in fact there is no significant increase (or decrease) in the frequency of bots.


No decrease, that's like saying its a good the the **** rate has stayed the same. No decrease is a BAD thing.

and ONWARD to the next point.




The CSM questioned if dealing with certain types of bots should be given priority – specifically nullsec ratting bots. The CSM argued that null-sec ratting bots greatly affect the state of null-sec PvP, as null-sec ratting is an important component in null-sec PvP. CCP Sreegs did not dismiss the notion of prioritization of one bot over another, but he and CCP Unifex cautioned that relying on anecdotal data was dangerous. To properly prioritize bot-hunting, they argued, it would be necessary to better
quantify the effect of various bots.



What i'm getting from is if a bots creating content for the game it might not be removed AS soon as a bot that's not.

The CSM security portion left me feeling as if there only worried about the RMTers and not the people who bot for themselves.


ALL Bots are bad CCP you cant be picky.




and if




With this notion in mind, Sreegs explained how he plans to handle what he believes to be a pressing
problem with Eve-related security - identity authentication, or IDAuth. IDAuth, simply put, is CCP
knowing who owns an account within EVE. While two-factor identification would be effective,
Sreegs noted that the EVE player base would be reluctant to give more information to CCP than
required, and such his solution is simply e-mail verification.


SO what if someone is that freaked out about giving out info to prove there not cheating at EvE well there ether unhealthily paranoid or want to hide there cheating.
Prince Kobol
#2 - 2012-01-31 19:52:21 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:



With this notion in mind, Sreegs explained how he plans to handle what he believes to be a pressing
problem with Eve-related security - identity authentication, or IDAuth. IDAuth, simply put, is CCP
knowing who owns an account within EVE. While two-factor identification would be effective,
Sreegs noted that the EVE player base would be reluctant to give more information to CCP than
required, and such his solution is simply e-mail verification.


SO what if someone is that freaked out about giving out info to prove there not cheating at EvE well there ether unhealthily paranoid or want to hide there cheating.


My own view is that if you are prepared to purchase from the internet from such places like Amazon who will sell on your information to other companies, then I see no reason why you would not give less information to CCP.

It is a very weak argument and screams to me that CCP are not serious in attempting to combat RMT, but more then they do not want to rock the boat shall we say...
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-31 19:59:40 UTC
As if a goon can be trusted.

Was that in iambic pentameter ? *lol*
as IF a GOON can BE trustED.

Don't mind me, i'm trying to figure this out.

Today i've seen that my petition about bots in a belt finally got answered.
It was ... i think ... two weeks old, if not even longer.

They were definitly bots, because the pods of ganked miners don't just
warp station<->belt for fun and joy.

There is nothing that we can do, but hunt them down and force them to just leave the game ... forever.
(that sounds right ... hm...)
Nothing else we can do,
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-01-31 19:59:40 UTC
and such his solution is simply e-mail verification.



the more a reread that right there the more i want to go kick a puppy or stomp a baby.


LIKE THAT WILL WORK
i alone have 23 trash Hotmail accounts filled out with fake information
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-31 20:03:10 UTC
Bots ruin EVE.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-01-31 20:07:27 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Bots ruin EVE.


It's not the bot that hurts the game...
the man behind, he is to blame.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#7 - 2012-01-31 20:11:55 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Bots ruin EVE.



So do the losers who buy ISK.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-31 20:14:57 UTC
Bots pay subscription and/or buy up PLEX from the market, keeping PLEX prices nice and high. CCP benefits from both.

Bots add to the total population of the game at all times, giving players a much more pleasant number to look at when logging into Transquility. This makes players happy, and CCP benefits from this.

Bots give roaming PvPers someone to kill when there otherwise would be none. This makes PvPers happy, and CCP benefits from not having to listen to us *****.

Bots make hulkaggedon valid and actually give us targets during that time. This makes non-miners happy, and CCP benefits from this.



So while bots may flood the market with minerals and run miners out of house and home, they offer enough perks that I can see why CCP would be hesitant to drop the banhammer on the whole lot of em.

Proof that capital ships are rare in EVE: http://imgur.com/gallery/jJJE1

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#9 - 2012-01-31 20:23:29 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
Bots pay subscription and/or buy up PLEX from the market, keeping PLEX prices nice and high. CCP benefits from both.
...

Actually if bots increase PLEX prices, that is worse for CCP.

3 PLEX cost more than a 3 month sub (most popular sub choice).

Lower PLEX cost would mean more people using it instead of subbing through CC which would mean more money for CCP.



That is if bots lead to an increase in PLEX prices. I don't have data to comment on that bit.
Richard Kyanka
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-31 20:29:38 UTC
Wasn't Paypal recently removed as an option to pay subscriptions? Wasn't that yet one more positive move to remove anonymity?
Prince Kobol
#11 - 2012-01-31 20:42:50 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
Bots pay subscription and/or buy up PLEX from the market, keeping PLEX prices nice and high. CCP benefits from both.

Bots add to the total population of the game at all times, giving players a much more pleasant number to look at when logging into Transquility. This makes players happy, and CCP benefits from this.

Bots give roaming PvPers someone to kill when there otherwise would be none. This makes PvPers happy, and CCP benefits from not having to listen to us *****.

Bots make hulkaggedon valid and actually give us targets during that time. This makes non-miners happy, and CCP benefits from this.


So while bots may flood the market with minerals and run miners out of house and home, they offer enough perks that I can see why CCP would be hesitant to drop the banhammer on the whole lot of em.


So your forgetting the fact that most RMT merchants use stolen credit card / fraudulent banking details to purchase PLEX which in turn means that CCP get zero income from them.

Also all those BPO's and Ships which are sold being sold for RL Money, that is also taking money from CCP pockets.

So yes, CCP do not ban bots because of the subs they pay Ugh

Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-31 21:11:59 UTC
I'm opposed to RMT in any game but you have to actually blame the people that buy from them the most. If they didn't buy from them then there is no reason to RMT since there is no money in it. For all the anti-RMT rants in EVE-O forums I think its safe to say that the RMT market is still booming (sadly).

On the issue of bots I think, on their own without the RMT issue, I don't care at all about bots. the game already has mining drones and autopilot and lots of other things I don't have to personally direct for every motion. If somebody have a mining bot to get materials he needs then i give a hardy whatever. He can be out there with his 8 accounts, running 8 hulks or be out there with his 8 bot hulks. P Don't actually care. I care even less when I hear how much people hate mining and missioning etc, but oh god don't you do it. So who cares? Even Mittens stated that the goon bots help pay for their sov and other programs that free up pilots to go and pvp poorly. Okay. I rarely ever agree with Mittens, but I do on this.

Heck, I even concidered a mining bot, but it wasn't worth messing with the EULA and any of the other hassles that do or might go along with it just to get more veldspar or whatever. If somebody else wants to do that though, I'm not going to care. I've only seen a few ships that I thought might have been bots, but then I don't go looking for them either.
2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#13 - 2012-01-31 21:29:02 UTC
this is like people who are against guns, people use bots, bots do not use people!! ban people, don't hurt the innocent bots.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-31 22:14:32 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
this is like people who are against guns, people use bots, bots do not use people!! ban people, don't hurt the innocent bots.



see here its breaking the law for CCP to release peoples info so i can go RL ban them.



but thats all the troll food your getting in here, so go away
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2012-01-31 22:25:05 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

It's not the bot that hurts the game...
the man behind, he is to blame.

If only their was a way to gank them.
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-01-31 22:50:46 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
Bots pay subscription and/or buy up PLEX from the market, keeping PLEX prices nice and high. CCP benefits from both.
...

Actually if bots increase PLEX prices, that is worse for CCP.

3 PLEX cost more than a 3 month sub (most popular sub choice).

Lower PLEX cost would mean more people using it instead of subbing through CC which would mean more money for CCP.



That is if bots lead to an increase in PLEX prices. I don't have data to comment on that bit.


But PLEX enter the market because people want to sell them for ISK. I wouldn't buy a PLEX and sell one if they sold for 100m ISK. I would seriously think about it if they sold for 1b ISK.
Tore Vest
#17 - 2012-01-31 23:06:02 UTC
I was shure it was cause mittens told them not to...... Sad

No troll.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#18 - 2012-01-31 23:08:18 UTC
I am not sure if you know this but there is a very wide spread and well understood argument that there is reasons why companies do not like bots at all and will squash them at any and every convience if they want to survive in the market.

Bottom Line customers vote with thier wallets, bots scare away customers, and bots follow the customers.

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#19 - 2012-01-31 23:35:10 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:

It's not the bot that hurts the game...
the man behind, he is to blame.

If only their was a way to gank them.


I know, right?

Because you can't gank in hisec, after all...Bear

Ni.

Glarealot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-02-01 01:34:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Glarealot
Richard Kyanka wrote:
Wasn't Paypal recently removed as an option to pay subscriptions? Wasn't that yet one more positive move to remove anonymity?


When recently? I used paypal in the past 5 days or so to pay for a character transfer and a few weeks ago to pay for a month or two on my sub

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