Market Discussions

Same old ****, different packaging.

Is that why MD smells like stale beer & cheese?

Work IRL for 1 hour and have enough ISK to play the game however you want > Work in game for several hours/days to have enough ISK to do what ever you want.

For market people a lot of you sure don't understand opportunity cost :|

Interesting point. Depends on your definition of fun and the concept of 'accomplishment'. I could drop an hours pay on the game. Hell I could drop a weeks pay on the game if I wanted. That might be fun for awhile but it doesnt offer the same sense of accomplishment. Which in turn, for me, is equal part of the fun of eve. Buying your way through only hurts you, imo. Its what you learn in the process of working through problems that will make you a better player...another goal of mine.

I played a lot of P2W games before, mostly originating from Asia - where a kind of "Why work for it in game when I can pay for it with real cash" mentality seems prevalent in the gaming community. So, buy pimped out characters/overpowered equipment and refines, run around and pwn all those poor, foolish noobs for a bit....Then what? Damn, this game is boring. /sell char go pay for another game. And the cycle continues.

I play the same P2W games, have fun starting out noobish with not a gold piece to my name, have to figure out ways to earn that same cash, those same items. Corner a market, buy out a competitor, consolidate my monopoly, diversify into similar markets. It's all fun that I derive from the game that I wouldn't have appreciated if I'd just taken the RL cash way out. At the end of it, I've squeezed the most fun out of a single game where most other people bore and switch in a never-ending cycle, where the only fun they find's the level grind, and the brief euphoria of pwnage that kind of wears thin after a while when you don't get any real challenge.

I think many other EVE players have said that the challenge is the game. I couldn't agree more. It's such challenges to earn ISK, to develop and grow from ground up in a harsh universe that makes the game so intensely fun, and satisfying. So yes, there's opportunity cost involved by earning ISKies in game as opposed to just working IRL and buying a PLEX for quick money. But that equation is incomplete, as it fails to take into account the myriad of features and possibilities of earning ISK in a game, that could very well be part of the fun as well. Sure, for some people such features are boring, but a good number of us actively enjoy utilizing them. It's not a failure to appreciate opportunity cost that drives us to earn ISK in-game, but more that we've weighed both sides and came down far more heavily on this side of the equation.

That's not even including the subtle benefit of skills and temperament you pick up while playing in the game that may be useful in your RL endeavours one day, but that's another story.

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I could never understand it myself...if you bring in stuff from the outside world to help you in game...have you accomplished anything? To each her own but I don't think so.

To a lesser extent, I feel the same in reverse. To take in-game assets out of the game (by buying Plex) seems to be cheating your toon.

I think I might be forced to quit the market game. Every time I try and corner the skill book market some bot puts a bunch more up for sale. it's costing me a fortune

Try not to "corner a market" then if your losing money. Instead of a full on product assault, try something more subtle like a little tickle here, and a little tickle there. You'd be surprised how much they add up fast if you chose the right 'places' to tickle.