Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, at least we agree on buffing the damage bonus from 100% to 120-125%.

In the end, CCP Tallest (if he thinks they need it) will review Marauders sooner or later and hopefully will consider some of our suggestions.

The majority of people in here do believe Marauders need to be looked at though so hopefully this issue will be brought to CCP's attention

Paladin needs its cap bonus swapped for a range bonus like the apoc. Then its base cap needs to be changed to 7000.

The Kronos keeps its tracking bonus from the Megathron. So why doesn't the Paladin get a range bonus like the apoc?

Also, it needs more grid. This ship is supposed to be the pinnacle of that empire's battleship technology, it shouldn't have fitting problems with basic fits. ..and god forbid you try and get a prop mod on there lol.

It's funny how the only way to build an acceptible lvl 4 mission fit for any Marauder is by using faction/dedspace mods.
It's pretty much a requirement to have at least one tank mod as such in order to be able to properly run lvl 4 missions.

One thing that could help ALL Marauders to be able to build a more sufficient fit would to give them a 3rd rig slot. I know it's odd for a t2 ship to have 3 rig slots, but I think it would help Marauders in their fitting quite a bit.

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I love it when people take what others say out of context. Like I said, when compared to their respective Marauders, as in the Kronos, MBL's perform just as well as 425mm Railguns.

The opinion of the guns 'tier' is each our own but Tachyons have extremely good stats that seem a little out of wack when comparing them to the other guns which is probably why they're always hard to fit to any hull.

Also, you do know that your ship can move once it's in a mission don't you? I fly a torp Golem. I don't hit out to 100km. I get about 60km at best. I do get to select my damage type though which is really helpful but still. I have to move and I use my afterburner to get there and it assists my tank. So if you fit pulse lasers, yes you have to move but guess what; you can!

If the Paladin received an optimal bonus pulse lasers would give you fantastic range anyway!

Give them a decent sensor strength and scan resolution so they can actually be used for PvP

Bubanni, try doing 3 or 4 missions, bookmark the wrecks and come back in a Noctis to salvage them all in one go. The efficiency is way higher than trying to do it "on the go".

Also; what is your counter argument for faction battleships causing Marauders to be inefficient/underwhelming or have you ignored that part of this thread aswel?

I don't know about that, I don't do missions anymore, havn't for a long time now, but when I was using a marauder I did get a high income than with a normal bs

Yes, a faction bs can potentially do better if you ignore the salvage as you go. an example being the vindicator vs kronos, where the vindicator can do quite a bit more dps (easy to reach 1800-1900+ dps) while the kronos is around 1500-1600 dps using similar fit

however, the the kronos with that fit will have more tank and can salvage the mission at the same time (I personly prefere the vindicator though)

and about salvageing in general, I never bothered doing it, I was always making 30mil isk per 20 mins on average with my vindicator while doing 0.0 sanctums and havens back before the nerf... without salvageing.

years ago when I did missions in high sec, it was common knowledge that blitzing the missions always gave higher profit than comming back to salvage it afterwards (if you truely did blitz the mission within minutes)... if your really really slow at completing a mission, then sure... its worth comming back to salvage it... but when you can complete a Extravaganze or how it was spelled within 15-30mins then theres no reason to go back to salvage it (as you can do the next missions just as fast or faster)

As a side note, some people think they are being smart by using an alt to come back and salvage... they are not, when you could be doing 2 missions and the same time, doubling your profit, or completing the mission even faster by bringing twice as much dps

Running it in the Marauder and coming back to salvage in the Noctis would not only save you time due to the slow boating of the Marauder, but also because the Noctis has 4 salvagers and 4 tractors, plus has a bonus to salvager cycle time. It also has the cargo capacity to be able to salvage AND loot wrecks. With a Marauder in most cases, you don't have enough cargo left over after ammo and cap boosters if you so please, to be able to carry much loot at all.

So overall, you could get the task done faster, and with more payout by using a Marauder/noctis combo.

Now, back to my concerns on Marauders... Personally, they're never going to be able to even remotely compete with a Noctis, so the marauder/noctis combo will always be better.
However, with that thought, I actually say we just completely take away the tractor and salvager bonus and focus on giving them more capability to complete their tasks.

So here are my thoughts on what the Golem could use in order to be the most effective mission ship like it should be.
1) Nullifies the penatly for using t2 missiles/torps. In other words, no reduced speed, or increased sig.
2) A little bit more bonus towards tank. I suggest instead of a shield boost amount bonus, instead, give it a bonus towards resistances, since most people don't and/or can't run a perma tank. When running a non-cap stable fit, resistances are much more helpful than shield boost amount.
3) Either give it a bit more boost in the range of torps, or open up the 3rd rig slot to allow for more range. It shares the same range bonus as a Raven Navy, but the raven has potential for more with the 3rd rig slot. Not to mention the cnr has more potential dps. So The least that could happen is the Golem be able to out-range it.
4) Boost the effectiveness output of target painters from 7.5% to 10%. This way the Golem could potentially be maxed out at 2 target painters instead of 3, because 3 severely hampers your tanking capability.
5) Either give it better sensor strength, or find some slot layout that will better allow it to fit eccm modules to counter mission jamming, or remove jamming from missions entirely.

I don't know if these bonuses would make the Golem OP, but it would help it to become the best Caldari mission boat available, which is the way it should be. Currently, the Golem is being outperformed by the Rattlesnake in tank and flexibility, the Tengu in effective dps, and just about everything else, the CNR by dps, smaller sig, and better scan res, and the SNI sig, and scan res where is come situations this matters, and by the Drake in some small situations like the mission I mentioned earlier.

I fly a tengu in Caldari Missions because I wouldn't dare to use a golem because it's too big a target, and too easily jammed. Not to mention slow as hell with a quite limited range.

I can see many of your points, so don't get my wrong.

Looting in a noctis is so damn fast compared to everything else, yes. Every other ship competing with it needs to have atleast the same bonus's AND a near equal ammount of Highslots dedicated for looting. This is only one part of the problem. <--

I've allways asked myself, how on earth do you want to salvage during combat? YOu have locked up targets, and incase of the golem, you have the next 3 targets locked up too (TP Juggling).. it would be a hell of a hassle to sustain salvaging if you buff the salvage cycle-time on marauders. This would be so hilariously complicated...

Get rid of the odd Salvage-bonus. Those prety ships are over penalized for something not even worth to touch. And yes, salvaging on the fly is >completey< useless since the noctis, and you can't fix that on a ship which primary role is doing damage anyway.

Give them a fifth turret/Launcher point to give them viable dps, and change active tanking bonus into resists.
The golem would need a bit more, but that's another issue.

The salvaging bonus is not completely useless. Even though I have other ships to choose from and I have a noctis I could come back with, I still tend to use my marauders lately. I guess mostly because I CAN use them... But the ability to salvage while I kill ships is much easier than coming back for ****. Also, marauders can lock 10 freakin' targets, you shouldn't have problems. I've shot the occasional wreck though -_- It's mostly because of the way targets are changed/selected after one has been destroyed/salvaged. That kinda bugs the **** outta me sometimes.

And Sam, keep dreamin' :P