Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its not immunity to other players.

3 scrams and you're stuck
A HIC focused disruptor field, and you're stuck.

And of course, my suggestion was "and/or" with the interdiction nullifier effect.
If you think "and" is OP'd, then go with the "or" - in which case I'd take the +1 warp strength per level, as that has use in PvE - making the scramming frigates much less dangerous (and depending on the site in incursions, you may be able to leroy without your fleet and still warp out)

It does fit the "behind enemy lines" role...

Also, whoever was saying why should the Kronos be able to field 5 sentries/heavies. Because every other Mega hull ship can. Mega, navy mega, vindi, all of 'em. Kronos should, too.

Bubbled and webbed a marauder would still be "effed in the A".

You don't need a ship to make a bubble. You can deploy stationary ones. Small medium or large. 

Agreed.

Marauders are specifically SPECIALIZED for pve. Which means they should have very limited pvp capability.

As Marauders sit now, they're perfectly balanced in this aspect. They can defend themselves in pvp, but are quite limited.

Where they lack luster is in their specialized task. However, due to the fact that they're balanced in pvp the way they should be, than any changes to sensors, size, warp, etc. etc. in order to buff pve, will ultimately lead to an imbalance in pvp, thus leading to a nerf in some other aspect that will make them much less effective in pve.

So, this is why I keep stressing that npc ewar immunity is the only way to keep these ships balanced in pvp, but also allow them to be the powerhouses they're meant to be in pve.

Other Changes would be.

All Marauders get a buff related to salvage and tractors, but is based off the Marauders skill.
In other words, 5% bonus to salvager and tractor cycle time per lvl and 45% bonus to the range of tractor beams per marauders lvl.
This means it gets a 78km range with t2 tractors. Good enough for a Marauder to catch any wreck on screen, but still leaves the noctis as the powerhouse in salvaging.

Individual buffs
Golem - Needs a range buff for torps, so at all skills lvl 5, it gets 65km before accel time is factored in, thus allowing it to fit something other than range rigs and or a mwd/burner
Paladin - Needs a RANGE bonus towards webs
Kronos - 125bw for drones and a reasonable drone capacity, RANGE bonus for webs.
Vargur - Needs some type of support bonus, like web, or target painter.

The Golem is the only ship that I'm sure of. Personally, they can take away any bonuses towards cruise missiles for this ship, and make it a specialized torp boat, then take away any torp bonuses from the Navy Raven and make it a specialized cruise missile boat.

Any other bonuses the other 3 ships might need aren't up to me, cause i don't fly those ships. However, reguardless of what changes they make for the individual ships, npc ewar immunity is the one thing they can all for sure use.

I would agree, however, that's what CCP designed Marauders to be, the best at pve.. They didn't want them being used in pvp, so they gave them weak pvp capability, however, they didn't anticipate this effecting their pve capability and pretty much making them only effective at Minmatar missions.

While I would like to see them effective in pvp, I think this would lead the nerfs it other capabilities, so they'd either get reduced tank or reduced dps, and they'd probably end up seeing other nerfs as well.

That's why I push the npc ewar immunity. Because if we try to make them more pvp capable, it'll end up getting them nerfed at what they were originally designed for.

Besides, it's nice to have a ship specifically for pve, seeing as how that is all that a large portion of the community does.

That +2 warp strength role bonus on those T2 Industrials is utterly pointless and too weak to even be useful at blockade running. Does anyone even use those things for anything other than bait? These ships being useless is a different problem though.

+2 really wouldn't be enough. +1 per Marauder level would be enough to give people a warm and fuzzy feeling to use these ships in low sec. Which means more people in low sec which is only a good thing.

Jesus Christ... I can only read so much lately before I just start skipping all the bulls***. I also find it ******* hillarious that people are bitching and moaning about the ship being able to defend itself in pvp, then crying about how hard it would be to gank it solo. I mean, seriously? Take a step back and read that a few times if you still don't see it.

Also, spugg got it on this one: I am also against the idea of a ship being poor at PvP by design just so that it is the best PvE boat out there. I don't think that is a good design concept.

The ship already fails in its specialized role. Being gimped when they were introduced is somewhat understandable. But NOW, it's unacceptable. NO other ship is so specialized that it has no place whatsoever doing anything other than that one intended role. Sure, there are other ships that are specialized into specific roles, which they do well. But they've also got uses in both pve and pvp. This is excluding industrial ships of course.

Also, npc ewar immunity would be kinda cool, but you can probably forget it. That would probably be way too hard and buggy to implement. Like someone mentioned before, of all the various types of npc's.

There are a few people here on the right track, but I just get annoyed reading this same **** over and over again. Marauders are better as is than with some of these "ideas"... You're all asking for a new ship. Not a buffed marauder in the role they currently serve.

Yay! m3talc0re and I actually agree on something! The universe will now collapse.



I'm not sure where I said this so could you please quoate me.

Also, "decimate" means to "damage severely" as well as "to reduce by one tenth".

Reguardless of what you think should be done for marauders and whether they should be pvp capable or not is all irrelevant.
The major factor here is that if something isn't done to better marauders, then we might as well remove them from the game and give the players those points back.