Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently, Marauders are a little underwhelming with respects to their cost, skill point requirement, and performance. This is mostly a sum of the the introduction of the Noctis, which has made salvaging "in mission" inefficient compared to reshipping for a Noctis, and the Faction battleship buff which has reduced their overall performance "rating".

Many people ask for a new Marauder based on the 3rd tier BS hull. I believe this is pointless and all we really need is for the current batch of Marauders to become competitive.

I would propose that the first fix should be to drop the tractor beam bonus in favour of something far more useful. Examples of useful bonuses would be:
A range bonus for energy vampires
A bonus to Capacitor Booster boost amount
A bonus to Armour Repairer / Shield Booster Cycle duration (faster rep cycles)
A bonus to Armour Repairer / Shield Booster capacitor usage (cheaper reps)

Just something useful would be great. In order to keep long range tractor beams perhaps medium and large tractor beams could be introduced with fitting requirements that match being fit to larger ships.

Next, because of the advent of wormhole and incursion PvE and Marauders are supposed to be the "Kings of PvE", I propose that these ships have some form of spider tanking bonus. The best option would be to give them a bonus to the remote repair or shield transporter amount received instead of making them battleship sized logistics ships. This would make these ships very competitive when being used in PvE situations where logistics is required (incursion / wh sites).

Another option which is a little radical would be to give Marauders the EWAR immunity bonus. This bonus coupled with the CCP proposed Electronic Attack Frigate buff which gives them the ability to use EWAR against EWAR immune ships would not only give Marauders a place in the PvP environment but would also give the proposed EAF's more value as they would be useful in the sub capital ship PvP environment.

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Highlights from this thread:-

A> People think Marauders damage bonus should be buffed from 100% to something like 120-125%

B> There is a debate as to whether the tractor bonus should be dropped for something else or buffed and include a salvager bonus

C> People find the sensor strength / scan resolution issue of Marauders a real problem.

D> PvE isn't what it used to be and Marauders are out dated and unsuitable for "modern" PvE

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I use Marauder, and I do not salvage on the fly. As you stated, it is more efficient to come back with Noctis and salvage after mission.

Marauders should get same "salvaging" bonueses as Noctis.

EWAR immunity is out of question, they have low senesor strength now to make them less desirable for PVP. Becasue they are not meant to PVP.

In Incursions you use logis, in WH you use caps/logis to tank them. The reason for this is the low lock speed, RR range and that 10 locked targets are to short for cycling RR targets and still staying somewhat cap stable(a cap booster pvp like fitting is not useful for the PVE content you mentioned).

What marauders need is a quicker lock speed, a far lower sig, a normal sensor strength(srs gurista are still pain in the ass) and a resistance bonus instead of the active tanking bonus, to make them more attractive in pve content that relays on RR(you have less raw EHP, one slot and one rig slot less than faction BS, what more often then not makes the faction BS better in this situations). This will also help to bring the Vargur and Kronos into more use for Incursions, giving them slightly different focuses than the Mach / Vindi, atm only the pala gets used for the reason that it got a armor tank compared to the NM with the shield tank.

As pilot of a Paladin Marauder, I often wonder if it was a good idea to spend so much ISK on a ship. The only reason to use the Paladin and not an Abaddon for example, are those 50% less amunition need. I don´t even have fitted a salvager, because as said before it is much faster to change to a noctis after the mission to clean up. It is not only the less time a noctis needs for all those wrecks in a lvl4 mission, it is also the fact that a noctis can carry all of the loot of a mission at once, and a marauder can´t.

What would be nice to have instead of the tractor-bonus would be some bonus for anything that can help a Marauder pilot to kill those webbing/scrambling frigates in missions. If you accidentally ran out of drones (forgot them in the room before) it can get very hard to finish a mission because there are only two scrambling frigs left 3km away, but you don´t hit them with your big guns....


So +1 to any idea to make marauders to what they are supposed to be, the gods of pve...

I could hit "unlike", but I think that would not help much ;)

I think just some little things would help, slightly better speed, agility, and lock time to facilitate us out side of empire missioning.
They need their weakness, but to help them be more viable in PvP putting them all up to 8 high slots would go a ways I bet.

Sorry, but no to your Ideas.

Marauders need a pure dmg buff, and a buff to dmg application and dmg range.
They should be the best option for subcap PvE, and they are clearly not.

As Caldari pilot, I would prefer CNR over Golem pretty much everytime.

In case of the Amarr Marauder Paladin, what about this: Add two turret-slots where only small or medium lasers can be fitted, and instead of that tractorbeam bonus ad a dmg or other bonus for that kind of weapon. Would make the Marauder more flexible against all kind of targets in missions, but has its weak point with that weak sensors....
For all other Marauders could be found a equal solution I guess...

This thread is just full of no.

Marauders are not pvp boats. Giving them any kind of bonuses towards pvp would be ridiculous. No spider tanking. HELL no to 8 turret (or missile) points. Using half the ammo of other ships is one of the few good things left about marauders and you want to change that? Seriously?

And god no to cap booster bonuses. I hate cap boosters and I'll be damned if I'm gonna shove them on my mission boat.
All of the marauders have enough drone bay to accommodate more than one flight of drones. Frigates should not be a problem. The Kronos and Paladin also have a web bonus...
They don't need an immunity to ewar, they just need some help against Guristas f'ing jamming. I think it should be removed tbh.

I want the tractor bonus, but I want it improved. Give the marauders the same tractor bonus as the noctis then give them a bonus to cut salvager cycle time in half. That would fix the marauder vs noctis problem.

And you or whoever is using the Paladin is probably using pulses. You have much less PG when you've got tach's fit. I've got 6 spare PG left, that's it.