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Which nullsec alliances are about to fail- reason inside.
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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-01-30 18:29:50 UTC
Any alliance that is essentially one obsessive player with isk and enough SP to impress newer players. Usually someone with a half dozen accounts and 20 alts.

Any alliance where the FC's see pilots as ships and not characters (ie, just call for BC blobs, regardless of what you actually fly well). These people basically just see other players as BC sized drones.

Corps/Alliances don't function like it in practice. They are much more like the Mafia- in that you are expected to go out on your own time and earn your own income, yet kick up 'tax' to the bosses. In exchange you get to operate in that area, possibly some kind of minor support from the top (other goons on the payroll, escort, refining skill, etc) but only if it supports the boss in the end. However, in addition to having to be 'isk independent' as so many corp recruiting ads say, but also have to come to the aid of the bosses when needed too.

In the end that often means that other than (maybe) helping you make them money, corps/alliances in Eve aren't "employers" in any meaningful sense. Rather just a meeting place for like minded players.

In my limited time, most alliances I've seen are a fairly random collection of corps almost totally unrelated to one another. Most corps tend to be microcosms of that model as well.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-30 18:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pavel Bidermann
Onictus wrote:
Guess the NAP dude missed that RA/ -A- are fight as usual.

Solar/UAxDeath are having a pretty decent civil war, and god damn near 3/4 of the maps is involved along with null merc...with wardecs, Goons just made WN a non-entity, and are trying to decide if they can take Raiden on.

There is some non-agression, but we didn't kill 10,000 ships this month roaming.


Yes, ther's plenty of canned hunting going on.Goons bravely invaded unoccupied botting space while taking a break from attacking unarmed industrials. The other wars are so active the maps vurtually are ablaze with movement! lol! The drainage ditch by the road in front of me has more movement. In a word, stagnation. If there was less movement, the server would have to be offline.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#23 - 2012-01-30 18:39:44 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:

Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM

Your conclusion is correct (that Goonswarm is not about to fail), but your reasoning is flawed.

Goonswarm will not fail because its core membership comes from an out of game community which does not care even a little bit as to the in-game space guild's reputation or status. In short, Goonswarm will not fail because the people who play in it are playing EVE to play in Goonswarm, with other Goons. Goonswarm has not always had The Mittani on the CSM, and it has endured rises to and falls from power all the same.


GSF will not fail yet beacause the existence of GSF is worse than it disbanding... or something like that Roll

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-01-30 18:39:53 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Any alliance that is essentially one obsessive player with isk and enough SP to impress newer players. Usually someone with a half dozen accounts and 20 alts.

Any alliance where the FC's see pilots as ships and not characters (ie, just call for BC blobs, regardless of what you actually fly well). These people basically just see other players as BC sized drones.

Corps/Alliances don't function like it in practice. They are much more like the Mafia- in that you are expected to go out on your own time and earn your own income, yet kick up 'tax' to the bosses. In exchange you get to operate in that area, possibly some kind of minor support from the top (other goons on the payroll, escort, refining skill, etc) but only if it supports the boss in the end. However, in addition to having to be 'isk independent' as so many corp recruiting ads say, but also have to come to the aid of the bosses when needed too.

In the end that often means that other than (maybe) helping you make them money, corps/alliances in Eve aren't "employers" in any meaningful sense. Rather just a meeting place for like minded players.

In my limited time, most alliances I've seen are a fairly random collection of corps almost totally unrelated to one another. Most corps tend to be microcosms of that model as well.


And you need to have corp activities. If you don't the members will drift apart socially, become bored and leave. Mix it up a bit, but plan it the best that you can. The plan will go all wierd at some point, but its important to work together. Keep people communicating. Groups have he same issues at every level. Boredom, change in RL status, change of personal goals etc. Be ready for that. Also, be ready for the idea that you went through all the trouble of making this deal just to get there and everybody hates it.Roll It happens.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-01-30 18:44:08 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
[quote=Pavel Bidermann][quote=Nicolo da'Vicenza][quote=Pavel Bidermann][quote=Nicolo


What the total *****?


could you use that word in a sentence?

What's YOUR point? I honestly don't follow what you're saying here.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#26 - 2012-01-30 18:46:08 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
IObviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM

Awww, are you seriously jelly of someone elses E-fame?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#27 - 2012-01-30 18:47:22 UTC
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while,


"I do not know about it" is not the same as "it's not happening".
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-01-30 18:49:03 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:

Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM

Your conclusion is correct (that Goonswarm is not about to fail), but your reasoning is flawed.

Goonswarm will not fail because its core membership comes from an out of game community which does not care even a little bit as to the in-game space guild's reputation or status. In short, Goonswarm will not fail because the people who play in it are playing EVE to play in Goonswarm, with other Goons. Goonswarm has not always had The Mittani on the CSM, and it has endured rises to and falls from power all the same.


GSF will not fail yet beacause the existence of GSF is worse than it disbanding... or something like that Roll


It tough to remember all the political indoctination quote you have to learn. Stiff upper lip m8. You'll do fine.
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-30 19:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pavel Bidermann
Ptraci wrote:
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while,


"I do not know about it" is not the same as "it's not happening".


Perhaps compairing them to old school wars? Plus, there seems to be quite a bit of complaing about how boring null has gotten, along with how much unoccupied space there is, omg there's nothing but bots for sytem after system, etc. There's no secret there.

The time I spent in null was some of the worst time I had in EVE. God, nothing seemed to happen. Anywhere. Got so bad some alliances invaded into Provi fopr something to do. If you're looking for good times in Provi, your game is hurting! Big smile
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-01-30 19:09:29 UTC
It doesn't really matter to me anymore what goes on. It's your game now so.. ENJOY! I will probably check on the game from time to time, but I notice that I'm doing that less now too. Hard to break the habit of intel gathering after years of doing it every day. Every day.....
guess I'll actually finish some projects around the house. The Mrs. might get used to that though.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-01-30 19:33:43 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:

Obviously the Goons are not about to fail anytime soon since Mittans the mighty owns the CSM

Your conclusion is correct (that Goonswarm is not about to fail), but your reasoning is flawed.

Goonswarm will not fail because its core membership comes from an out of game community which does not care even a little bit as to the in-game space guild's reputation or status. In short, Goonswarm will not fail because the people who play in it are playing EVE to play in Goonswarm, with other Goons. Goonswarm has not always had The Mittani on the CSM, and it has endured rises to and falls from power all the same.


GSF will not fail yet beacause the existence of GSF is worse than it disbanding... or something like that Roll

What does that even mean?

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-01-30 19:34:39 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Pavel Bidermann wrote:
Since there really haven't been any actual wars in quite a while,


"I do not know about it" is not the same as "it's not happening".

Not empty quoting this post.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2012-01-30 19:36:39 UTC
Somone is very behind on the electronic score board of all the systems disappearing from one side to another but majorit of those conflicts are just small league stuff nothign megaallaince.

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-30 19:49:55 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Somone is very behind on the electronic score board of all the systems disappearing from one side to another but majorit of those conflicts are just small league stuff nothign megaallaince.

there also appears to be a lot of resource shifting and realignment for custodianship of systems. The majority of system transfers are just that. don't want to spook the bots too much! It messes up the wallet.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-30 19:52:26 UTC
Define failure.

In other words, what would be considered a failed nullsec alliance?

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Zagam
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-01-30 20:12:57 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Define failure.

In other words, what would be considered a failed nullsec alliance?

Losing one of the larger and richer REGIONS inside of a month.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#37 - 2012-01-30 20:15:11 UTC
Zagam wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Define failure.

In other words, what would be considered a failed nullsec alliance?

Losing one of the larger and richer REGIONS inside of a month.

^ This

Shortly followed by total disbandment and surrender or backstab that makes the headlines.

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Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-30 20:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cass Lie
The OP is probably just a troll, judging from the level of threads he started so far.

And to Pavel Bidermann: Are you for real? So far everyone from a major 0.0 alliance (+Bloodbound.) posting in this thread has told you that there is a plenty of conflict around, yet you go on merrily whistling with ears plugged accusing everyone of a botting conspiracy. Seriously mindboggling stuff.

At the moment, New Eden is finally after a long time properly burning with major wars all over the place.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-01-30 20:18:32 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Zagam wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Define failure.

In other words, what would be considered a failed nullsec alliance?

Losing one of the larger and richer REGIONS inside of a month.

^ This

Shortly followed by total disbandment and surrender or backstab that makes the headlines.

Such as the conquest of Branch by the Clusterfuck Coalition in less than three weeks.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-01-30 20:19:22 UTC
Cass Lie wrote:
The OP is probably just a troll, judging from the level of threads he started so far.

And to Pavel Bidermann: Are you for real? So far everyone from a major 0.0 alliance (+Bloodbound.) posting in this thread has told you that there is a plenty of conflict around, yet you go on merrily whistling with ears plugged accusing everyone of a botting conspiracy. Seriously mindboggling stuff.

At the moment, New Eden is finally after a long time properly burning with major wars all over the place.

Posting to confirm that I am a bot designed by Theta Squad to make bad posts on EVE Online.

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