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In Praise Of Shadows 27
Klezmer In Praise Of Shadows Likes received: 27	#21 - 2012-01-30 14:04:16 UTC Planetmaster wrote: try harder ALT ... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1005548 This is a bit rich coming from someone with one whole kill.

Akirei Scytale

Okami Syndicate

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#22 - 2012-01-30 14:05:14 UTC | Edited by: Akirei Scytale

Planetmaster wrote:

So the question is what is the "niche" for Gallente ?
hmmm.... let me think..

GOT IT !

Diemost !! Slowest ships with shortest range ? nice niche !

Dont be idiot please.. You call this well balanced ? err.. Sorry but NO

Races don't have niches. Ships do.

And the Deimos is a highly agile, high damage platform. Excellent in small gangs and in PvE, specifically ratting. Eclipsed by the Zealot specifically in middle-large scale PvP due to range, sig and EHP becoming more important in that role than speed, agility and DPS.

Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 10
Planetmaster Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 10	#23 - 2012-01-30 14:07:00 UTC Klezmer wrote: Planetmaster wrote: try harder ALT ... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1005548 This is a bit rich coming from someone with one whole kill. Im a slave scout ! Its my job to die ! My master want to be hmmm... incognito ? :) Dont be such a .erk

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Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Likes received: 1,324	#24 - 2012-01-30 14:09:19 UTC 1000 DPS on a cruiser hull is a pretty awesome niche actually.


Klezmer In Praise Of Shadows Likes received: 27	#25 - 2012-01-30 14:09:56 UTC Then post on your main because all I see are failfit vigils.

Planetmaster

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#26 - 2012-01-30 14:09:58 UTC

Akirei Scytale wrote:

Planetmaster wrote:

I said Diemost as a niche for whole gallente race ! I wasn't talking about diemos :) Its nice niche i think Gallente are KMails fillers. Well someone must... :)


Planetmaster Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 10	#27 - 2012-01-30 14:13:46 UTC As I can see Everybody are Happy with this re-balance !! Glad to hear that ! Sorry guys for this post ! It wasn't my goal to ruin your day. Ahh well If Gallente ships are so great I think that in the near future will be nerfed. So shhhh .... Dont say to anybody about OP Gallente ships. OK ? Take Care EOT

Bat Country Pandemic Horde 19,001
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#28 - 2012-01-30 14:15:08 UTC Planetmaster wrote: baltec1 wrote: As a gal fan I have to say the fix did indeed fix all of my issues very well. good to hear that you are so happy alt ! Unlike you I post with my main

Klezmer

In Praise Of Shadows

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#29 - 2012-01-30 14:22:41 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Planetmaster wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

As a gal fan I have to say the fix did indeed fix all of my issues very well.

good to hear that you are so happy alt !

Unlike you I post with my main Blink

I WOULD but he (she) is unsubbed as of last night until I can be bothered to go pew again, which is likely to be tonight or tomorrow night Big smile

Those in the know... uh, know anyway. Then again I'm not the one trying to prove an entire races ships are fail.

Roime

Mea Culpa.

Shadow Cartel

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#30 - 2012-01-30 14:23:20 UTC

Planetmaster wrote:

we may try to find out how many galls have and how many Matar. Wanna try ? You will be surprised !

Oh surprise us!

Akirei Skytale wrote:

If gallente has a single outstanding flaw, it would be how mediocre the role for its tier 3 battleship is relative to other races. The Mael, Abaddon and Rokh all have niches, even if the Rokh's isn't spectacular these days. The hyperion... sits on station undocks. Whoopie.

That was one ship I had mind, with maybe Eos, Eris and Phobos. However I don't have personal experience with dictors or CS's yet, so people who fly them might rightly disagree.

The Hype sadly does not look very lucrative when compared to Mega and Domi, and I've yet to come up with a reason to buy one.

Rest of the "bad" ships are bad because the ship class has some issues across all races... and even out of them, Keres is certainly not worst, neither are Atron or Maulus.

Talking on this level about ships is of course highly subjective, and FWIW I'm a huge Gallente fan <3

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#31 - 2012-01-30 14:30:13 UTC

Roime wrote:

Planetmaster wrote:

we may try to find out how many galls have and how many Matar. Wanna try ? You will be surprised !

Oh surprise us!

Akirei Skytale wrote:

Hyperion is a fantastic roaming ship.


Klezmer In Praise Of Shadows Likes received: 27	#32 - 2012-01-30 14:32:31 UTC To be fair its somewhat prone to alpha blaps.

Cyniac

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#33 - 2012-01-30 14:41:48 UTC

Planetmaster wrote:

Diemost !! Slowest ships with shortest range ? nice niche !

Actually there is more truth to this than you think, and it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Gallente seems to have two niche's really:

1) Versatile droneships (Domi, Ishtar, Myrm, Vex)
2) Do-or-die blasterboats (Hyperion, Mega, Brutix, Thorax)

Just because many pilots favour the GTFO approach of Minmatar does not make the Do-or-die approach of the Gallente blaster boats a bad one, it's just different (and somewhat harder to pull off).

If all the ships of all races would be designed with the same concepts in mind things would be rather bland don't you think?


baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#34 - 2012-01-30 14:42:51 UTC Klezmer wrote: To be fair its somewhat prone to alpha blaps. The trick is to not active tank it

Planetmaster

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#35 - 2012-01-30 14:49:34 UTC

Cyniac wrote:

Planetmaster wrote:

Diemost !! Slowest ships with shortest range ? nice niche !

Give +50% to DMG to Blasters and Rails and Im fine with do-or-die

But we need feedback from CCP side this is the main reason why I've wrote this thread. And trolls are doing sh.. not helping anyone just e-peening

Nova Fox

Novafox Shipyards

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#36 - 2012-01-30 15:10:52 UTC

Planetmaster wrote:

Im really pissed. Many ppl is waiting for gallente ship re-balancing. Galls are still useless in PVP only few ships are "ok" . Winmatar is "Win button" CCP fave race OTMoment.

If you are new player don't you dare to skill gallente They are useless you will just loose your time.

I have Minmatar max skilled on my other toon so its not the point that im LAZY or something I just want to fly in more ships.

Anyway

CCP Tallest in post from 2011.11.04 announced that HE as a great designer is taking care about hybrids... Well CCP Tallest and his Chief CCP Soundwave are not the best designers as we all knows, hybrids and gallente ships still sucks.

CCP Tallest made some minor changes in fitting and He said that this is OK. Well its not. As we can see in this forum thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29692 more PPL complains about gallente ships. What is the best Balancing Feedback: Hybrid Turrets thread has 93 pages now !!! and was viewed 56K times ! (Is this a record :) ? ). What is even more important there is any reply from CCP side.

The funniest thing is that "THE GREAT" CCP Soundwave announced that they DONE IT !! Its done, over, finished, finito, name it ! here it is :

"We’ve rebalanced small, medium and large Null ammo. I came back from vacation and Tallest had done this. He’s a pretty cool dude."

link: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3381

Man ! WOW ! You rocks ! Soundwave you with your padawan are the best designers on the planet ! How simple was that !!! 40% to falloff ! you are.... you are ... genius ! I want to thank you for your hard work ! Changing 20% to 40% in database its very hard task. You must find where it is in database and change it. nice job guys !

But seriously.

What you are going to do with galente ships and weapons ?
When changes will be done ?

Give us some info

Regards
Planetmaster

PS. Soundwave why you came back from vacation ? Lol

Confirming that the Metrics are not back from thier vacation.

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Roime Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 4,407	#37 - 2012-01-30 15:19:39 UTC baltec1 wrote: Hyperion is a fantastic roaming ship. .... The trick is to not active tank it Shield gank? Genuinely interested, I'd love to fly it. Just can't enough dps out of it, nor speed, especially compared to Talos. I'd probably like to try it active armor with links and Exile, numbers look hilarious, but sadly I can has no links atm. .


Klezmer In Praise Of Shadows Likes received: 27	#38 - 2012-01-30 15:31:20 UTC I think he meant plate but forgot that a mega is more suited to that... but its splitting hairs to be honest.

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Roosterton Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 363	#39 - 2012-01-30 15:41:41 UTC I'd say that blasters as a weapon system are, by and large, pretty fine now. There are a few individual ships which, imo, could probably still use sort of tweaking (like the Brutix and Hype) but all races have their ugly ducklings. Now nerf Cynabals/Machariels/ECM and EVE might actually be balanced! \o/

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 572
Jack bubu Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 572	#40 - 2012-01-30 16:55:00 UTC the majority of Gallente ships are totally fine now. Frigates are pretty much all on pair or better then the racial counterparts, the eris is the dictor with the highest survivability (dual prop, armor buffer) and both hacs are very good. then ofcourse you got the lesser good ships like the brutix, hyperion and catalyst but every race has those.