EVE New Citizens Q&A

Prob cause a dev saw the one side of the Crucifier that looks sorta like an Executioner and threw it in.

Doesn't really matter tho which ship you use though, does it?

It doesn't matter which type you use, but it matters which type the agent provides if you're just doing the tutorial to get a couple of free ships of a particular type.

Think about that for a few seconds and you'll see what I mean.

I don't get it. I am curious!

The objective is to have a ship blown up.

I am looking at this from the perspective of a new player, for whom useful ships are at a premium and free ships are a godsend.

If you do all the tutorials you are given three mining frigates (plus a bpc with 4 runs left) and three fast combat frigates (unless you are doing the Amarr set in which case, as mentioned above – tough), and are – apparently – required to sacrifice two of the latter.

To my mind, a mining frigate has little use after the first week or so in game, except maybe for a bit of light hauling. On the other hand, even as a relatively new player, I can see several uses in the later game for a cheap tier 1 combat frigate. What would you rather have – one fast combat frigate and three mining frigates, or three fast combat frigates and one mining frigate? So do you really have to sacrifice those fast combat ships? Well, no.

The clue is not in the what you are told in the main mission briefing, but what you are not told unless you look for it. The key is the 'ship restrictions' link. In there you will discover that you can use any frigate in these missions - and in the later one even a rookie ship.

So you can keep the fast frigates the agent gives you and use mining frigates instead.

If you are particularly miserly (like me!) you can even save your modules in the later mission where you have to fight to your death. Despite the impression given in the mission briefing, if you do it right you can escape the scramming/webbing horde that spawns when you kill your obligatory pirate, warp out, dock, strip your ship, and then dive back in to let your ship be destroyed.

Free is always better than bought in my book.

Edit: Especially if you can avoid getting lumbered with useless stuff in the process.

Eh? Er . . well exactly.

Ummm . . that's what I'm suggesting.

What's your point?

I don't think so...

The new player, like me, isn't interested in these ships they can't fit because all the equipment sucks too much cap/powergrid/cpu on these cheap frigs with skills trained to 2 or 3 in the main categories.

These ships are a valuable ressource to pirates needing cheap and expandable ships to ransom others, or pvpers with a seasoned alt funding the expenses of pvp until victims' loot/salvage and ship losses costs becomes sustainable if not profitable.

The real newb, is usually pushed towards lvl1 missions, SoE, what's not, and soon needs to step from destroyer to cruiser, again, because the skills aren't trained enough yet to equip small, inexpensive ships, with tiny capacitors/powergrids and they need a ship that can deal enough dps while tanking the damage, to complete the missions and earn a few ISK.

You say these inexpensive frigates have a use in the later game, of course they do, usually when the player has trained up more skills and gathered enough ISK to afford their loss. By this time, how many still possess these tutorial missions ships? The trouble of hauling all these ships when relocating, or the potential sale to fund bigger ships probably outweights the potential far future where said frigates will come in handy.

Yes but in the context of a person running these for the first time as new player you clearly are not.

A totally brand new person wouldn't care about the inconsistency.

You are obviously farming the missions with the duplicate agents and although you are new in age in the grand scheme of the game you are not new to the process of how those career agents work.

Regardless, what do you hope to gain from this thread? You being pretty much the only one that cares about the inconsistency probably isn't going to get it changed and since you can only ever run the agents once (albeit in 12 places) you'll likely have run them all and not ever be able to talk to them again by the time CCP changes the inconsistency if ever so it'll be a moot point to you by then.

P.S. In defense of Sin Pew he/she might have studied a lot of guides and done the research and/or found the right people to help him/her along in understanding. Or maybe was an older player played for a month and then dropped EVE and came back several years later. Still effectively new but with some remnants of the knowledge gained from the previous play.

My point is: it does not matter what ship you will get in tutorial mission. It's a tool. Other race players got a bit faster ship? So what? You will not put this (little) advantage in a good use as a new player anyway. Some other race got a slightly better module? It makes no difference to you - a rookie. When it does matter and you can use certain ship pros and cons, you are not a rookie and tutorial missions are not in your area of interest. As a new player all you need to have is some, does not matter which one, frigate to start making ISK. You can even make ISK in a rookie ships. These are replaced for free AND you even get some funny amount of money with a replacement.
EVE Universe is not a place where everybody is giving you stuff for free. You need to earn money to buy and fit new ships. It happends that tutorial agents are very nice dudes and they are giving you something for free (actually, for doing a mission, but it's almost like free) and you are complaining about that. If you are not happy with a reward, sell it and buy something else. If you have not enough money, earn them. Take some other (non-tutorial) missions, dig a veldspar, slavage wrecks lying around asteroid belts, ... You have many to choose from. Don't get stuck in making tutorials, because they will end very soon and you are not bound to do only those. Get a grip and start playing the game. Think what will happend when you finish the tutorials - no free stuff onwards.

These forums are really amazing - ask a simple question and everyone wants to turn it into an inquisiton.

Sorry to disappoint you but the age of this character is my age in game.

I would have thought that a brand new person is more likely than any other to be curious about why, in a game which has four alternative lines of initial development, one should be treated slightly differently from the other three.

Of course I'm familiar with the way the career agents work, and with lots of other things in the game. I've done plenty of research, like any sensible person coming into a complex game, and the guides to the tutorials are readily accessible.

Nothing much, apart from an answer to the fairly simple question I posed in my opening post – which nobody has so far even attempted to provide.


That's the comparison I made between the Executioner and the Crucifier, so I don't understand why the rest of your post compares the Executioner with the Atron.


I don't see a complaint in my post. I asked a simple question - nothing more, nothing less.