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Firefly/Serenity vs EVE comparison I heard...
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Grammaticus DeVere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-02-09 16:05:34 UTC
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.

As my mother is from that area and has one of the bandit surnames (Forster), its an area of interest to me Oops

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ROXGenghis
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-09 17:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ROXGenghis
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.

As my mother is from that area and has one of the bandit surnames (Forster), its an area of interest to me Oops

G

Aren't they just different forms of the same verb? Reave vs. reive? I would think the border bandits got their name from the verb. Or did the verb derive from the bandits' activities? Which came first?
Annie Anomie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-02-09 17:52:56 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.

As my mother is from that area and has one of the bandit surnames (Forster), its an area of interest to me Oops

G


No. It's a bunch of mad max looking dudes from a sci fi TV show.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-02-09 17:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Borun Tal
1.0 systems = Reaver space: unwashed, slobbering wanna-be's with fixation on Cheetos and pr0n dropping in on those without the skills to protect themselves. :)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2012-02-09 17:59:10 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.


Has it ever been stated that the Reavers are based on the Reivers? If not, then isn't it rather presumptuous of you to correct anyone's spelling? They could just as easily arrived at the name without the historical context, making your correction...incorrect.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#26 - 2012-02-10 11:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
Klymer wrote:
Gina Torres in leather, nuff said.

+1 for corpses on ships

Bloodraiders aren't cannibals like the reavers are supposed to be are they? Draining blood is one thing, eating the flesh is another. I'd rather deal with them instead of the Sansha.


They drain you and use your blood to do lots of stuff, from infusions to painting there ships

Reavers aren't just cannibles ether, eating your flesh is just one of the meany exciting things reavers do one they catch you.

And they both use blood painted ships, webs/mag graplers, and close range debilitating tactics so they can board you.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-02-17 17:40:57 UTC
I'd second the Probe as a stand in for Serenity. Down to the two drones (shuttles?) and large cargo bay. While Serenity is a purely transport ship, it's too small to fit with any of the Eve industrials.

Eve's security levels fit pretty well with the Firefly world as already mentioned. Except that while Reaver (or however you spell it) space is essentially one or two planets no one goes to, null sec in Eve is huge and widely populated.

Sancha as Reavers? Weird f**kers from outside even the 'wild west' of low/null sec that raid into empire space? I'm unaware of any Eve canon that really approximates cannibals and such.

Firefly was a good series that just didn't last long.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-02-18 20:03:50 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.

As my mother is from that area and has one of the bandit surnames (Forster), its an area of interest to me Oops

G



Very interesting little fact, though. I consider my RPG lore just a little more complete now, so thank you.

I'd like to use the Firefly word, however, as it conveys, for me, the dread and loathing of seeing a trio of -5700 security status folks show up in the local of a 0.1 that I was messing around with. Cry
GF07M8
#29 - 2012-02-18 20:51:31 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Firefly was a good series that just didn't last long.


Understatement of the decade.
Alara IonStorm
#30 - 2012-02-18 21:10:19 UTC
Battle above Mr Universes Planet. Serenity does Space Pew, Pew right.

Also the Alliance Cruiser is sexy.
Aldous Sancros
Fidelis Limited
#31 - 2012-02-19 09:59:56 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.

As my mother is from that area and has one of the bandit surnames (Forster), its an area of interest to me Oops

G


I hate to go all Etymology Man on this, but just thought I'd mention that reaver is derived from the Old English reafere (agent noun of the OE verb reafian, meaning to rob something from someone, plunder, pillage). So, if we're going to really be pedantic I insist we spell it thusly.

I'd rather just spell it "reaver", though. Words and spelling change over time, best not to nit-pick on the details.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#32 - 2012-02-21 16:40:22 UTC
Reavers = Sansha, definitly.

Also, lowsec is 100% reaver space (ever try talking to a pirate gatecamp? like talking to a baby that is incapable of anything but swearing Smile).

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-21 18:26:23 UTC
Sansha - turning people into mindless emotionless slaves
Blood Raiders - drain blood for all kinds of uses
Reapers - they'll **** us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing. (And if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order)

Bear

I lied :o
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-21 19:58:23 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Tarok Nextrid wrote:
Not really a good comparison, afterall we can't decorate our hulls with the corpses we collect Cool


Honestly, that's only because there isn't an option to though P I mean, I know that if it was an option, many/most pirates would fly around like that, lol.

I'd put corpses on my freighter.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#35 - 2012-02-21 23:25:47 UTC
Drew Solaert wrote:
Sansha - turning people into mindless emotionless slaves
Blood Raiders - drain blood for all kinds of uses
Reapers - they'll **** us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing. (And if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order)

Bear

No Reaper's are huge machine lifeforms that like to show their egotistical dominance by wiping out civilizations. Get your scifi right.Smile
Kush Monster
Big Tobacco
#36 - 2012-02-22 00:04:33 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Pedant- in-Chief here, but can we please spell the word properly?

Its 'reivers', not reavers...the latter is the name from the Firelfy series I grant you, but the original is the proper name for the border bandits of 14th-15th century England/Scotland including one area called 'the debatable land'.

As my mother is from that area and has one of the bandit surnames (Forster), its an area of interest to me Oops

G


my favorit raever is jayne because he is toughest and doesn't afraid of anything.

How to make mining enjoyable: An Autocannon, Faction Ammo, Your Mouth
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#37 - 2012-02-22 00:44:15 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Sancha as Reavers? Weird f**kers from outside even the 'wild west' of low/null sec that raid into empire space? I'm unaware of any Eve canon that really approximates cannibals and such.


In EVE, the Bloodraiders are the closest you can come to the Reavers from Firefly.
The difference between the two are that the Bloodraiders are driven by cult-ish religious fervor (but are still more or less sane/human) while the Reavers are driven by violent, instinctual bloodlust (and possess no discernible ability to "reason").

Drew Solaert wrote:
Sansha - turning people into mindless emotionless slaves


I see them as a "lite-version" of "The Borg" from Star Trek... with Kuvakei as "the queen." Blink

How did you Veterans start?
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-02-22 00:49:29 UTC
My wife was a fan of Joss Whedon's mainstream shows like Buffy and Angel. That's why I even tried out watching Firefly, because Whedon is a known commodity, and I like his work.
The downside is that he kind of rehashed character types from each series. The archetype. For example the similarity of Kaylee to Willow from the Buffy series is pretty obvious.

As a result, my wife actually didn't like Firefly much....I think she saw too many of the Buffy characters in it. I however liked Firefly quite a bit, clearly there was a fully developed world behind it, but we never got to see it fleshed out enough before the series ended and the movie wrapped it up sort of post hoc.

My only issue with Firefly was the scale. It's essentially a single solar system, which seems somewhat limited for having full on empires, rebellions, and Sancha wannabe's flying about to hidden planets. Also- madness as a reason for being weird doesn't really work for me-- if you're too crazy to be reasoned with, little more than a berserker....but sane enough to operate space craft and not attack each other.....zombie movies always do that too.

You know Firefly wouldn't last long...there is entirely too much total crap to put on TV for anything good to squeeze in.
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-02-22 23:38:18 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
My wife was a fan of Joss Whedon's mainstream shows like Buffy and Angel. That's why I even tried out watching Firefly, because Whedon is a known commodity, and I like his work.
The downside is that he kind of rehashed character types from each series. The archetype. For example the similarity of Kaylee to Willow from the Buffy series is pretty obvious.

As a result, my wife actually didn't like Firefly much....I think she saw too many of the Buffy characters in it. I however liked Firefly quite a bit, clearly there was a fully developed world behind it, but we never got to see it fleshed out enough before the series ended and the movie wrapped it up sort of post hoc.

My only issue with Firefly was the scale. It's essentially a single solar system, which seems somewhat limited for having full on empires, rebellions, and Sancha wannabe's flying about to hidden planets. Also- madness as a reason for being weird doesn't really work for me-- if you're too crazy to be reasoned with, little more than a berserker....but sane enough to operate space craft and not attack each other.....zombie movies always do that too.

You know Firefly wouldn't last long...there is entirely too much total crap to put on TV for anything good to squeeze in.



Serenity gave a little more explanation on the Reaver madness, but yes, it was all cut too soon for a better story to be solidified.
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