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Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#261 - 2012-01-31 16:24:21 UTC
This thread is so ******** I can't even bring myself to write a meaningful comment.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#262 - 2012-01-31 17:45:00 UTC
I wish the warning message said "If someone took your goods and put them into their own can, they are baiting you and plan to come back and ruin your day".

No one will read it, but at least it'd be a better warning.
Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#263 - 2012-01-31 18:58:28 UTC
OMG!!! U poor babies!... Roll

Look, a long looong time ago, i used to mine in a megathron in 0.4 (this was when there were no miningbarges and i was a total nub myself)

A few guys warped in, webbed, scrambled and jammed me and almost shot my precious hardearned ship from under me.

My drones saved my hiney! Because i managed to crawl out of scramble/web range and warp out (ogres ruled then)


So... instead of crying about it and emoragequitting, guess what i did? i kitted out my thron with some anti jamming kit (OH YES, THIS STUFF DOES EXIST!) and a full combat suit and a single mininglaser as bait and warped back to the same system and the same belt, and lo and behold, here come the villains, ready to finish the job this time... or so they think!

I let the drones fly, launched my cruises and let my dual 250mm rip, while doing some webbing and jamming myself and had the scoundrels running for cover! Twisted

Everytime i think of that, i still chuckle! Lol
Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
#264 - 2012-01-31 19:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dors Venabily
Alex Sinai wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I don't see a problem with flippers... maybe thats because I learned the first time it happened not to shoot/take from the can.


And for the record, when I was a noob I didn't jetcan mine after the first incident... I flew back and forth in my little frigate. Aptly named the Tormentor.



When i was a noob i learned that too. But when we both were noobs can flippers as it seems wasn't that much of a problem. Today is a whole different story. If you not jetcan they just fly in and bump you interfering with your activities. At least that what i hear'd from people in High sec. I'm not in High and not imagining myself there. But i know a few noob corps run by friends. It's worse then it was when i was noob.



While I do not agree with the OP entirely and think that a yellow can is enough of a hint [it used to be same color] I must say that that the players base went down the drain with any "morals".

I know it is relative but there are some things that are outright pathetic to do no matter if you pvp or no and bothering new folks fresh into the game who when killed do not even drop anything of value to you, is just being an *******.

Nothing to do with PVP the noob kill mail is not worth a dam since he has cheap fittings.

The only reason here is to grief and this is the only MMO that does not ban you for that so over time this type of players collect here.

LOLz tearz you MAD blah blah teenage epeen bull.

Could not care less personally for digital pixels and it is within the legal regulation of this game but really are you that bored ?
If you really take pleasure in this please seek professional help, If you are that bored there are plenty of other PVP opportunities around.

Roll

edit:

Oh yeah and the OP's friends or whoever were chickenshits but still shooting nubblets come on
YUMAD BRO
ZZ Cow
#265 - 2012-02-01 10:43:25 UTC
Dors Venabily wrote:
Alex Sinai wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I don't see a problem with flippers... maybe thats because I learned the first time it happened not to shoot/take from the can.


And for the record, when I was a noob I didn't jetcan mine after the first incident... I flew back and forth in my little frigate. Aptly named the Tormentor.



When i was a noob i learned that too. But when we both were noobs can flippers as it seems wasn't that much of a problem. Today is a whole different story. If you not jetcan they just fly in and bump you interfering with your activities. At least that what i hear'd from people in High sec. I'm not in High and not imagining myself there. But i know a few noob corps run by friends. It's worse then it was when i was noob.



While I do not agree with the OP entirely and think that a yellow can is enough of a hint [it used to be same color] I must say that that the players base went down the drain with any "morals".

I know it is relative but there are some things that are outright pathetic to do no matter if you pvp or no and bothering new folks fresh into the game who when killed do not even drop anything of value to you, is just being an *******.

Nothing to do with PVP the noob kill mail is not worth a dam since he has cheap fittings.

The only reason here is to grief and this is the only MMO that does not ban you for that so over time this type of players collect here.

LOLz tearz you MAD blah blah teenage epeen bull.

Could not care less personally for digital pixels and it is within the legal regulation of this game but really are you that bored ?
If you really take pleasure in this please seek professional help, If you are that bored there are plenty of other PVP opportunities around.

Roll

edit:

Oh yeah and the OP's friends or whoever were chickenshits but still shooting nubblets come on



so ummm.....is that your main? and how many people are in your corp? hopefully well over 100 all just like you :)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#266 - 2012-02-01 11:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Dors Venabily wrote:
Alex Sinai wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
I don't see a problem with flippers... maybe thats because I learned the first time it happened not to shoot/take from the can.


And for the record, when I was a noob I didn't jetcan mine after the first incident... I flew back and forth in my little frigate. Aptly named the Tormentor.



When i was a noob i learned that too. But when we both were noobs can flippers as it seems wasn't that much of a problem. Today is a whole different story. If you not jetcan they just fly in and bump you interfering with your activities. At least that what i hear'd from people in High sec. I'm not in High and not imagining myself there. But i know a few noob corps run by friends. It's worse then it was when i was noob.



While I do not agree with the OP entirely and think that a yellow can is enough of a hint [it used to be same color] I must say that that the players base went down the drain with any "morals".

I know it is relative but there are some things that are outright pathetic to do no matter if you pvp or no and bothering new folks fresh into the game who when killed do not even drop anything of value to you, is just being an *******.

SNIP


The first time I was can-flipped, I had no idea what was going on, took my can back, and got popped. Probably in my 2nd week of playing.

The second time, I popped THEM with my Drake ';;'. They were red flagged for me...and I went back to the same belt and THEY WERE STILL THERE.

Not only are they (ahem) rude, they are STUPID.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Yakahama Musashi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#267 - 2012-02-01 12:31:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Maybe America is the only place with 'Freshman Hazing". That's all it is. And one does NOT quit school because of 'hazing'.

No backbone whatsoever. Roll

And looking for sympathy on these Forums is a Fool's Errand.


I was 'hazed' on my first day as a 'freshman' and I hospitalised the guy and his buddy who did it. I guess they should have checked exactly which sports scholarship I was on.... Lol

The College informed my parents that I seemed to have social issues and didn't play well with others, my dad told them "Yes, that's him - do we have a problem?"

I could NEVER say my parents "didn't understand me" like some of my angsty classmates always claimed Big smile

I feel sorry for newbies to this game though, it's harsh and I'm not sure if CCP even know how harsh it can be for them. Still, as long as we all keep buying monocles, they have nothing to worry about, huh? Bear
Janus Nightmare
Exploding Kitties
#268 - 2012-02-01 12:40:56 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
Just a heads up here for the unaware. Bored Vets couldn't care less whether new players start playing EVE; in fact, best I can tell, most of them would rather they didn't. This is why people who 'carebear' or come and 'whine' on the forums get told to gtfo and go play WoW. I should have thought that was obvious.



All noobs can do effectively is "carebear". You cant take them to W-Space or Null right away. They need skill books, they want to stay close to their starting locations, they want to wander around. And they not used to idea that ship is expendable. And they dont like that idea. It takes some time for them to get used to it and gain experience. All what flippers and gankers effectively do is making people angry and out of the game.



Bullshit. I've seen noobs hop into chat, get told to join a player corp, do so, and start pewpewing within just a few days of starting the game. It only takes a few weeks to decently fit a Rifter and start fighting back, the problem is many people don't realize they can do it.

Look, I'm about as carebear as they come, and I'm sick of other carebears whining because of can flippers/gankers. If players join this game thinking they're going to be coddled and helped along until they're ultra-mega-power-boomship is ready for them, then they're playing the wrong game to begin with.
Janus Nightmare
Exploding Kitties
#269 - 2012-02-01 12:43:30 UTC
As an aside... there used to be rules about griefing noobs. Do those no longer apply?

If I remember correctly, it was something like you couldn't grief a noob in certain systems in certain classes of ships? Honestly, it's been so long I don't remember.
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#270 - 2012-02-01 12:50:29 UTC
Janus Nightmare wrote:
As an aside... there used to be rules about griefing noobs. Do those no longer apply?

If I remember correctly, it was something like you couldn't grief a noob in certain systems in certain classes of ships? Honestly, it's been so long I don't remember.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Griefing
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#271 - 2012-02-01 12:55:19 UTC
Janus Nightmare wrote:
As an aside... there used to be rules about griefing noobs. Do those no longer apply?
They're still there, and they still apply.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#272 - 2012-02-01 13:34:52 UTC
Janus Nightmare wrote:
If players join this game thinking they're going to be coddled and helped along until they're ultra-mega-power-boomship is ready for them, then they're playing the wrong game to begin with.


+1

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#273 - 2012-02-02 08:11:30 UTC
It is true that Eve is pretty brutal to new players. It's a lot thrown at you, some of it needlessly complicated, and often the pay off for putting up with it isn't worth it.

But you have to understand it only gets worse. You learn the rules as you go, but the ability for other people to do massive damage to you only ever increases as you move along in the game.
You think can flipping sets you back, wait until 150 ships blob your moon mining operation and cost you billions- all well within their rights too. It's just high end can flipping.

What you think is griefing is just the ground floor of the PvP nature of Eve. It's a microcosm of the larger game you're aiming toward. Just like solo mining in high sec is the ground floor of industrial giants, can flipping / war decs are the ground floor of piracy and alliance dominance of whole systems. It's part of a progression, get used to it.

It's also as I said before- the problem is anyone expecting reward for zero risk. One must be balanced with the other. Too many people expect to be well rewarded for zero-risk gameplay. If the rewards were as modest as the risk that people seem to be willing to tolerate, they'd have a case.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#274 - 2012-02-02 08:38:50 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
I do understand an attempt to push players to other then High sectors. But with recent "buff to gankers" strategy all you do is pushing them out of the game.


You do realize that the current state of eve, caters to highsec carebears more then ever before in eve history? Concord is stronger and faster. Game mechanics have been changed to save you from RR chain ganks etc,

What is this "buff to gankers' strategy and when will CCP start using it? I havent seen a ganker buff in.... literally ever.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#275 - 2012-02-02 16:11:48 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Alex Sinai wrote:



It's not the point of the post where they are in High sec. The point of the post is simple. Can flippers and gankers in High sec are bad for the game. They make people leave more effectively then anything else in the game.



Welp, I'M STILL HERE. Sheesh. Maybe affects 5% of noobs...........

Maybe America is the only place with 'Freshman Hazing". That's all it is. And one does NOT quit school because of 'hazing'.

No backbone whatsoever. Roll

And looking for sympathy on these Forums is a Fool's Errand.


Damn Krixtal when did you become the Dark Lord of Mining. The dark side is strong in this one...

Sadly this immediate 'Hazing," might have something to do with Eve's pathetic growth numbers, and yes not breaking half a million in over seven years is pathetic. Of course it might also have something to do with recycled gameplay and sniping high school politics. I for one think another couple hundred thousand real players might be a good thing instead of what I imagine are 50 plus thousand pulses attached to god knows how many alts.

And yes Kirxtal, lots of kids leave school in the United States due to social pressures and general bullying, etc...

Concorde should pod and we would see flippers being selective about targets instead of epeen stroking in the faces of noobs.
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#276 - 2012-02-02 16:27:15 UTC
I like how most carebears assume that new players are joining the game to be like them. let met tell you a short story

I was camping a 0.0 gate solo in a rupture when a thrasher jumps in on me and emediatly locks me up and starts to shoot me. While I was planing on trying to kill him as he ran, he didn't run which trew me off.. was he trying to get me to agress for an alt of a fleet? well I burn off the gate and kill him because hell im just in a rupture and im aglie. he had no back up, and only a half decent fit, i convoed him and asked why he attacked, and he said "because if I take the offensive I can posibly kill bigger ships" he was less than a month old, he had lost a good 50 thrashers, but had actualy killed a good 30 other ships from friggs to a few cruisers, some decently fit.

I trained tha newbe to pvp and gave him ships and isk when ever i could spare some, he was my newbe hero, he came to this game looking for a harsh space battlefield where he could kill people not npcs, and he found it. why do carebears what to take that away from some one who generaly loves this game for what it is?
Jensen Blayloc
Bitter Sea Trading Company
#277 - 2012-02-02 16:49:56 UTC
I am having a hard time staying awake reading this so I will just skip to my point..

Here is an idea..

If the can isn't yours, LEAVE IT THE #$%^ ALONE.
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#278 - 2012-02-02 17:11:13 UTC
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:
I like how most carebears assume that new players are joining the game to be like them. let met tell you a short story

I was camping a 0.0 gate solo in a rupture when a thrasher jumps in on me and emediatly locks me up and starts to shoot me. While I was planing on trying to kill him as he ran, he didn't run which trew me off.. was he trying to get me to agress for an alt of a fleet? well I burn off the gate and kill him because hell im just in a rupture and im aglie. he had no back up, and only a half decent fit, i convoed him and asked why he attacked, and he said "because if I take the offensive I can posibly kill bigger ships" he was less than a month old, he had lost a good 50 thrashers, but had actualy killed a good 30 other ships from friggs to a few cruisers, some decently fit.

I trained tha newbe to pvp and gave him ships and isk when ever i could spare some, he was my newbe hero, he came to this game looking for a harsh space battlefield where he could kill people not npcs, and he found it. why do carebears what to take that away from some one who generaly loves this game for what it is?


To be fair, nerfing can-flipping somehow wouldn't have any effect on whether your little story could happen or not.

The only thing that killing can-flipping would do is impede on the legitimate tactic of taking things which don't belong to you when they're not secured.

This is a game where thievery and piracy are actively allowed and encouraged. They are part of the game. Can flipping is at the heart of this. If you don't like it, then find a game that does NOT have player allowed piracy.
Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#279 - 2012-02-02 17:40:51 UTC
wouldn't directly effect that persons first piracy and pvp experiance no, but I have known others to start with can fliping before piracy, and nerfing it would take away that step for their underhanded life style progression, if you see my point.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#280 - 2012-02-02 17:57:40 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
Terrible CEOs ruin the experience of new players. Join a better corp.


Terrible mechanics ruin the experience of new players. Join a better game.

How in the world terrible CEOs stay CEOs in corps in EVE. Obvious troll.


Some newbs don't know that their CEO is terrible because they have no experience of what it is like to be in a decent corp run by a good CEO. Terrible CEOs prey on the newbs ignorance because older players, who can tell the difference between a good and a bad corp, will not join.

90% of the new players complaining about hisec war decs are in ****** little corps run by morons. There are 1000's of new players who joined a good corp, got war decced and had fun while learning a valuable lesson. If a CEO cannot offer his newbs protection from big bad meanies in hisec then he shouln't be in charge of a corp in the first place.