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Can flippers and gankers in High sec problem
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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2012-01-30 18:04:50 UTC
somebody tell this guy that hisec is supposed to be safer, not safe.


..or is he trollin'?

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#222 - 2012-01-30 18:06:14 UTC
It happens. The first mistake is expecting completely 'safe' anything in a game that is obsessive about it's unrestricted PvP. The problem is that mindset, not that people actually will agress you in a space war game.

But newbies aren't really worth bothering with, and Eve is gigantic. Just move a couple jumps away and **** roids in peace. People that grief newbs are usually little more than that themselves.
Actual players have better things to do with their game time. It's actually fairly rare too in my experience- again, you're just not worth it.

Stop trying to mine in the market hub system, jump 2-3 away to some .5 high sec in a dead area and you can continue wasting your time mining all alone.

Pretty much anyone still playing after six months has gone thru the same thing in some capacity. I've been kept from mission running for paltry isk that I made at it, due to a war dec before I ever really understood the rules for it. I simply learned them.

It's also an MMO. If you want to do things in safety, then try numbers. Join a corp, or just one of the free boost fleets always offered in market hub/newbie systems.
The ability to steal or agress you unwillingly isn't a 'broken' mechanic- it's that any resource needs protecting, so you should be thinking of adding armed escort to mining operations, not simply letting you generate reward for no risk.

The can flipper risks little from provoking a newb, but also stands to gain little. The miner gains little solo mining in high sec, but also loses little when said flipper griefs them. That is a balanced system.
The higher end of this risk/reward scenario is null sec mining, which pays well but is wide open to attack. Likewise these miners don't just sit in barges watching television, they recognize increased risk for that reward and use armed escort. The people that look to attack these miners risk a great deal more, but of course the reward is substantially higher.

It's not broken. It's you.
And we all deal with the same thing, no matter what level we do it at. From newb mining to WH farming- someone will always be there to kill you and steal your stuff.
THAT IS EVE.


Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#223 - 2012-01-30 21:20:56 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Also show me the stats for the ones who got away? Where are they recorded, whats supporting those claims?


Well, now you're just being thick headed. You seriously think that everything has a 100% record on the other side of the fence?

Also, multiple times you state you aren't aware of any mechanics and "you don't need to be aware" to have your opinions. And you talk down to people with that attitude? The guy earlier asked you to describe how you could achieve the same thing he does and you just dismiss it but continue to hammer down you views.

Just come out already and admit you want full immunity. Roll It's clear from your posts you're a opinionated scrub with extremely limited experience.

Also post with your main if you believe in what you're saying so much. Roll I am. And yes, I would add you to the watch list, just like you suspect. Roll
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#224 - 2012-01-30 21:22:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
he fears for his pixels, he can't post with his main
cuz i drop what i'm doing and move to highsec to terrorize everyone in GD that makes bad posts
YUMAD BRO
ZZ Cow
#225 - 2012-01-30 21:47:04 UTC
Fnkn OP Tard



....I WAN NO GET SHOOTS

.......I NO LIKEY PEWPEW, LEAVE ME LONE!!

.......... I AM A FUKN NUB BOY THAT HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT.







STFU and live with it or go back to Hello Kitty Island Adveture you TARD.





NUB
J Kunjeh
#226 - 2012-01-30 21:56:51 UTC
YUMAD BRO wrote:
Fnkn OP Tard



....I WAN NO GET SHOOTS

.......I NO LIKEY PEWPEW, LEAVE ME LONE!!

.......... I AM A FUKN NUB BOY THAT HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT.







STFU and live with it or go back to Hello Kitty Island Adveture you TARD.





NUB



Wow...you're so coooo...and so hardkore.....can I be just like you? Puweeese?

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Ehn Roh
#227 - 2012-01-30 22:01:32 UTC
Alex Sinai wrote:
So, CCP wants to bring in more players in but on the other side does everything possible to keep them out.

Just a short story:

A relatively new player with a few months in EVE with not a bad ship and few totally fresh players all in High sec. A can flipper shows up and starts flying around bumping the newbies (5th or 7th flipper for the day for them). The one with not bad ship comes in so flipper warps out. Newbie picks up ore from the can (stupid move but hey, its a newbie and he have tons of things to learn so he forgets some) and moments later a nice fleet of can flipper with a much better ship and friends arrive. Of course all get owned. And all quit the game because they are sick and tired of can flippers, gankers and other sh*t.

CCP you want more players? Well may be instead of spending tons of money on useless advertisements you think about changing some mechanics of your own game so that people wont quit because your mechanics so flawed for new players and allow the exploits by some terribly bored vets who sit in their Titans and create alts out of boredom to go get their kicks on new players and then complain that there's not enough influx of players in the game.

I do understand an attempt to push players to other then High sectors. But with recent "buff to gankers" strategy all you do is pushing them out of the game.


You can't take the actions you described without getting a warning window or disabling the warning windows. They got what was coming to them.

I'm ok with a better explanation for noobs on what will get them in trouble, but the can mechanics should remain as they are. Either find a more secure way/location to mine or deal with the consequences.
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#228 - 2012-01-30 22:06:35 UTC
if you quit eve cos you lose one nice ship you are not suited to play eve so quiting well is quiter dream.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#229 - 2012-01-30 22:08:58 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
he fears for his pixels, he can't post with his main
cuz i drop what i'm doing and move to highsec to terrorize everyone in GD that makes bad posts


You don't?

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#230 - 2012-01-30 23:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Alex Sinai wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
So, OP...How's all that GTC-financed ISK working out for you?

/Me giggles....Locator agent runningTwisted

Is urp-splosion tyme naow?


Don't **** your pants when your locator finds. You funding your pvps with gtcs? Very bad habit. You know how to scan at all? Or farm sites.



Ah, no, that seems to be you. Most characters your age can't afford all those shinies, but I've noticed that, invariably, all that do,

A) Finance them through GTCs or illegally bought ISK from a illegitimate seller
B) Don't have the faintest clue what to do with/when to use them. (I mean, really: A CONCORD Smokescreen CovOps? On a wet paper aeroplane of a ship? That shows great insightBlink)
C) Also invariably, they end up losing them in quite hilarious manners.

Yes, I know quite well how to farm wormhole sites (if that's the type to which you refer), and even better how to scan--If I know more or less where you are from d-scan, then you will be a warpable hit in less than 30 seconds, maximum. Same is true of any decent prober who knows what they're about and has the right ship and equipment.

I also know better than to waste faction missile-launchers on a Tier 1 battlecruiser that is nominally a gun-boat.

At least, I hope that you're using GTCs from an authorised seller, as that's a legit way to "buy ISK" quickly (if, in my view, a bit lame)...I do hope you didn't buy that ISK from...elsewhere.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#231 - 2012-01-30 23:33:29 UTC
the above post is why npc forum alts exist
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#232 - 2012-01-30 23:40:56 UTC
OMG, some of those fits make me want to punch myself...
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#233 - 2012-01-30 23:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Andski wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
he fears for his pixels, he can't post with his main
cuz i drop what i'm doing and move to highsec to terrorize everyone in GD that makes bad posts


You don't?

http://dthi.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12276599

no need to move
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#234 - 2012-01-31 00:00:54 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
OMG, some of those fits make me want to punch myself...



I just did as a warning to myself not to ever fit ships like that.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#235 - 2012-01-31 00:51:47 UTC
tl;dr

Christ, can this thread be full of more fail than (notice i said THAN, and not "THEN") it already does?

OP, I'm sure someone here will tell you where to go for WoW or Hello Kitty Online.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#236 - 2012-01-31 00:53:54 UTC
I see my fittings advice was quickly forgotten.
Superterrier
#237 - 2012-01-31 01:18:07 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:

http://dthi.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12276599

no need to move



Quick! Firesale your Anathemas! A goon was killed with a ship - nerf incoming!
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#238 - 2012-01-31 01:21:22 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
he fears for his pixels, he can't post with his main
cuz i drop what i'm doing and move to highsec to terrorize everyone in GD that makes bad posts

I just so happen to already be in highsec and happen to be looking for work in the space terrorism sector.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#239 - 2012-01-31 01:30:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:

I beg to differ. We had a 20 million Sp requirement on our Wormhole Corp for a reason. Take a Newb into an environment like that, and the best they can hope for is waiting until they can train up Gas-mining, mining, or scanning effectively enough to do something with it. Even then, it's not going to happen overnight, and they are still going to be sitting on their arses for the most part.


This


It's a wormhole Baltec. You get podded it's a one-way trip back to highsec, and you're probably not going to find a way back for a week or two. Do you honestly think one 4-5 minute fight resulting in two weeks seperated from your Corpmates in Highsec is fun?
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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#240 - 2012-01-31 02:35:46 UTC
If you jet can you are asking to get messed with. It you must jet can make a nearby safespot and do short jumps to jet can there. If you get flipped you NEED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE! When I have jet canned I have never been flipped. Why? Because I moved away from starter systems. Get away from starter systems, get away from trade hubs and you can mine in 'relative' peace.

And if you have come to the forums crying about getting can flipped, pick a new profession, because you are now a tear magnet.

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