Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The last thread pretty much hit the nail on the head on the matter of the Dramiel - the speed isn't so much the issue, as the fact it does everything else too well. It has ample fitting space, slots, tank, DPS, low cap reliance and generally no real downside.

Suggested solution - leave the speed as-is (or a small tone-down at most) - but remove 1 mid and the drone bay.

Oh additionally:


To put this bluntly:
**** NO.
Battlecruisers in general are too good for their price, and buffing 7 out of 8 of them would be power creep on a ridiculous level. All the BCs are perfectly viable, with the highly debatable exception of the Prophecy.

This is assuming the Drake even needs a nerf, which is a controversial topic to say the least. Most of the arguments on this seem to stem from the fact it happens to be quite good in large gangs. Far from uncounterable though, and it's nowhere near as good solo as the Hurricane.

You don't visit features and ideas much do you? This thread was active for a good 2 months on the old forums.

Interceptors do just fine at their role. The Dramiel on the other hand obsoletes almost every other frigate just by existing. Nerf it.

Nerf Drake
Buff Legion
Remove Supercaps
Eve fixed.

yeah because blasters arent broken, and black ops ships have a role, and EAS are useful, and defenders arent pointless, and probing on grid snipers isnt overpowered . . . need I go on?

increasing logistics warp speed would be dumb. they're overpowered enough as they are and their warp speed is not a real issue. actually it would be balancing factor. they should be slower.

since i feel nice this morning i am going to give short explanation why logistic speed should never ever be faster:

1. you go harass big police fleet
2. they come after you
3. you run away to spread their blob
4. logistic and other slow ass mofos dont keep up your speed
5. you kill fast daredevil guys who just run to you
6. profit

if you increase logistics speed it makes small gang warfare even more difficult. there's no need for more remote repping circle jerking than there already is. inreasing speed from 3au to 3.75 au would be big boost and would make tons of other ships too slow compared to them. it's easier to leave their speed as it is, just because it is good speed for them

nerfing only dramiel is not enough. all minmatar, especially angel ships, are ridiculously fast with no downsides compared to any other race in general. if you nerf dramiel and don't even look at for example machariel you are not developing same game we play.

whole minmatar ship selection needs balancing, very many minmatar ships have for example speed, tank, scanresolution and dps but nothing makes them particularly weak to anything. currently autocannons are so good that they are better option than fitting other racial weapons on bonused ships, not to mention artillery alpha which is just ridiculous.

also we don't need stupid individual buffs there's a need for complete rethinking of the way ships fly in space there. there's 100 million small things like cynos which makes close combat or sniping extremely dangerous aka blasters etc become pretty stupid choice.

I think Tallest posted his OP on the 10th of June. So if these changes magically appear on TQ tomorrow that's three months for five ships. Agile development, quick turnaround, iterate your way to success, yes sir.

Can we at least try keeping this on-topic? There are plenty of other threads to moan about your favorite gimpy/OP ship, this one is for feedback on the Dramiel and Oneiros.

What is the Dramiel honestly 'bad' at? What is the counter for the Dramiel?

There isn't one.

The Dramiel should either be super-fast, super-agile, have perfect tracking, good DPS output, a drone bay, near-instant alignment, a strong capacitor (for a projectile ship), or ultra-fast target-locking. Not all of the above.

Pick one.

I'd stay with speed, but nerf it from insane speed to reasonable speed - absolutely no faster than an interceptor.

You may have noticed a trend to your little list: all the ships on it are 2-3x pricier than a Dramiel and much more skill intensive. That's a bad sign by itself.
The only frigate that realistically stands a chance of killing one is the Daredevil. Notice it's also more expensive than a Dramiel, and much less versatile.