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The CSM concept fails in large part because we have a 1 server game.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#21 - 2012-01-28 22:40:18 UTC
You have my sniper.

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-28 22:41:30 UTC
Mag's wrote:
You have my sniper.

gIRL LOOK AT THAT BODY

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2012-01-28 22:42:37 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Mag's wrote:
You have my sniper.

gIRL LOOK AT THAT BODY
I like your style. <3

Oh and thanks for the 6000th like. Cool

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dors Venabily
United Starbase Systems
#24 - 2012-01-28 22:46:02 UTC
Cancel the CSM and be done with it.
Personally I think the money for this group of idiots to travel to iceland is put to better use to provide free espresso to each ccp office to improve efficiency.

Lol
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2012-01-28 22:47:22 UTC
Dors Venabily wrote:
Cancel the CSM and be done with it.
Personally I think the money for this group of idiots to travel to iceland is put to better use to provide free espresso to each ccp office to improve efficiency.

Lol


Clean the fish tank so we can see dem fish and CCP sharkbait.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-29 00:57:33 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Ghoest wrote:



THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances.







You just described politics.


Let's hope eve online can be as fun as a live debate between Obama and...




I've witnessed what happens when all the nullsec leaders get together. It is not boring.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-29 01:24:24 UTC
So let's make The Mittani the CSM Dictator for Life?
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-01-29 01:52:21 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Mag's wrote:
You have my sniper.

gIRL LOOK AT THAT BODY
I like your style. <3

Oh and thanks for the 6000th like. Cool

heh here you go m8
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#29 - 2012-01-29 03:59:19 UTC
Aldous Borrn wrote:
*snip*

Much like the EVE universe is divided into numerous empires, regions, constellations, and so forth. One place, subdivided into smaller units.

Valid assertaion: One UK, numerous constituencies. Invalid assertation: Numerous universes, numerous UKs.

From which follows the possibly less pants-on-head stupid suggestion that representatives from the CSM be drawn from various regions, instead of fracturing the EVE player base across several universes. Though, that has it's own Pandora's box of reasons why that wouldn't work. EVE is based on having as many people as possible co-existing in the same space (user-generated market, alliances, corporations, fleet battles, the fact that there's thousands of systems, etc), why would anyone want to directly attack that basis?

Why not?

I mean, why wouldn't you want to try to create 'locals' in this vast universe (yeah, I'll laugh later too)?

What would be so bad if it would take you a week to cross New Eden, while still maintaining playability and interaction between players?
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#30 - 2012-01-29 04:05:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Aldous Borrn wrote:
Something like Jita might have several, based on population (whether that population be based on average occupancy over a period , or corporate office occupancy, or whatever). Whereas a vast stretch of barren lowsec with few, if any, occupants might have a single representative for dozens of systems.
…if it weren't for the numbers (that I CBA to dig up right now) that showed that maybe ~25–30% of the people in Jita could be considered actual characters. The rest were (very) low-SP alts. P


You can't vote until you're 18 years old.
Some years back women or black people weren't allowed to vote either.. Cool .. for women in Koran-ruled countries this is still true, afaik. Ugh
If you're in a foreign country you're not allowed to vote either.. no matter how old you are.

So in essence, if your main (the one with the most skillpoints) is/was mostly in region x and you got alts all over the place the account can only vote for a candidate from region x.

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#31 - 2012-01-29 14:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Well WoW has multiple servers, but if raiders were on the CSM for blizzard, they would make raiding better then on there server and all it would be better. So you can see the raiders could be corrupt still by taking resources away and adding them to raiding.

Or people collect mounts so blizz CSM tricks them to add more mounts to the game and take resources away from dungeons for it. They are corrupt. Being on different servers does take some corruption away but not all.

The corruption that takes away is guilds cant help each other across servers so they can take down bosses faster and cheat systems created. But they could still tell bliz to make bosses easier or stronger then mess up the rest of the player base.

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-29 16:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pavel Bidermann
Well, it would be interesting to improve the politics of EVE in regards to the CSM. However, ther isn't a system of residency in the EVE universe so creating areas of representation based on geography and or population isn't a possibility. If CCP wanted to they could do this though.

EVE does have a tremendous amount of potential. The above setup would inject a political simulation into the game along side the space pew-pew. EVE was moving to having a really interesting market and industry simulator too. That seems to have perished over the past *18months*. Not the game style for all players to be sure, but many were avery active. Then again I used to enjoy a game called "Capitalism". That was an interesting market sim.

Some days in EVE it seems that everybody who came up with the sandbox idea has left CCP and the EVE community.The current trend seems to be moving to PvP-only sim with people calling for the removal of mining and industry, insurance, clone costs, etc. World of Spaceships with 15 minute PvP matches in your gold Scorpion.

Save the sandbox and you save the game. Null sec and PvP are not the end game. There is no end game in a sandbox.

But no, just because there is a single server system doesn't mean the CSM won't work. The CSM doesn't work because of the people in the CSM.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#33 - 2012-01-29 17:24:28 UTC
PVP does have alot of crack to it, so everyone could end up there. Also though pvp can be part of the sandbox. As in controlling space and defending it and forming allies. Though alot of power blocs have formed so it does seem pvp being a sandbox platform is a dead thing.

This last exapansion did add the pocos for sanboxing. Also the sandbox brought us dodixie and other player markets. I usually see the sandbox creating things that are too big for others to handle really. Why it seems the sandbox keeps getting snuffed out.

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-29 17:39:48 UTC
rodyas wrote:
PVP does have alot of crack to it, so everyone could end up there. Also though pvp can be part of the sandbox. As in controlling space and defending it and forming allies. Though alot of power blocs have formed so it does seem pvp being a sandbox platform is a dead thing.

This last exapansion did add the pocos for sanboxing. Also the sandbox brought us dodixie and other player markets. I usually see the sandbox creating things that are too big for others to handle really. Why it seems the sandbox keeps getting snuffed out.


Naturally, PvP has a place in the sandbox. It would be boring without it being present. However, if it becomes the only primary activity in the game, then you lost everything else the game had that made it different. What difference would it make if you have a player driven economy if nobody does the industry? Then the only choice is to turn it al back over to the AI in the game.That's just one example, but do you se what I'm saying? After a while all you get is World of Spaceships with pew-pew arena matches. Some would love that, no doubt.

The recent releases from CCP have been improvements to small things. some worked and some not so much. The real issues are not being deealt with though. CCP is looking at the contuation of releasing more shiny items over fixing things like POS management. That's actually a bad practice. I understand it in its current context since its save the game or look for a different job time. Shiny only buys time.

Sadly, the only thing that the CSM and CCP seem to be able to do these days is structure grinds (like the POCO) or try to break everything they don't really understand (which seems to be most of the game). Going to the PvP aspect of the game with continued degredation of the rest of the game is porr management. It doesn't sem athat anybody talking about the changes are familiar with anything but structure grinding so that may be why there is actually little in the way of game improvements.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#35 - 2012-01-29 23:22:46 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Ghoest wrote:



THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances.







You just described politics.
I think he is aware of that. I think the purpose of his post was to decry game development based on politics. Sorry you missed that.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#36 - 2012-01-29 23:37:09 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
2bhammered wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Ghoest wrote:



THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances.







You just described politics.


Let's hope eve online can be as fun as a live debate between Obama and...

I am hoping for Newt Gingrich, because I want to hear Obama's counterpoint to "let's build a moon base".


Mars base. With lasers....

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-01-30 01:38:59 UTC
Newt's just hoping that moon base has hot James Bond women!

The US political candidate field is just the craziest and most depressing thing I've seen in a while. At least for local news.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-01-30 03:05:48 UTC
Ghoest wrote:

All these issues(which do need to be addressed by CCP ) have large ramifications on the in game political balance.
THe CSM is basically a tool for in game polotical units to lobby CCP on issues that will help or hurt their alliances.


Yep, it's all self interest. CSM full of Tech moon holding alliances like Goons and PL asks CCP to address the technetium bottleneck in T2 production, thereby reducing the value of tech moons... Totally selfish. It's a conspiracy
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#39 - 2012-01-30 03:15:52 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Did it make any sense for CCP to solicit CSM input on changes to the Drone regions - NO.

Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on re-balancing moon goo - NO.

Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on changes to super caps - NO.
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CCP doesn't have to 'solicit' anything. CSM already kicks CCP in the nuts about these constantly already...Twisted

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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-01-30 03:44:59 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Ghoest wrote:
Did it make any sense for CCP to solicit CSM input on changes to the Drone regions - NO.

Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on re-balancing moon goo - NO.

Does it make any sense to solicit CSM input on changes to super caps - NO.
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CCP doesn't have to 'solicit' anything. CSM already kicks CCP in the nuts about these constantly already...Twisted


Yes. I'm sure that's just what happens. I'm sure Mittens is somehow involved with their nuts though. That much is probably true.