Jita Park Speakers Corner

Some observations of all these similar CSM threads:

- anti-CSM claims are always presented without any evidence
- constructive posts with references to evidence, such as CSM minute meetings, Crucible etc are disregarded
- personal, subjective opinions about certain alliances are presented as "common opinion"

According to these people nulllsec is an evil, monolithic bloc with free ISK raining from the skies, full of veterans who have used their 5+ years or game time and 6 accounts solely in the purpose of griefing hisec noobs and destroying EVE.

Also, Mittani is really Putin and just bought sisilian mafia and Exxon with RMT botting money.

look seriously ppl need to stop talking about this democracy crap. When real politicians are up for election they campaign and get votes from people that ARE NOT DIRECTLY LINKED with them. If this was done in real life then it would be classed as vote rigging.
In eve it is THEIR OWN players that vote for them, and when its candidates of large alliances, then the amount of votes the get from both their own members and alts pretty much guarantee a seat on the CSM. This is not right, quite simply not.

Yes in real life politics tend to go for a certain party, like conservative, labour, lib dems, purely because of the partym and the candidate is only voted for becuase they are in that party not becuase of their own abilities. However there are NOT parties in eve like RL. So you cant compare it that way either.

Eve politics/democracy is NOT the same as RL politics, so stop comparing the two...

Yes of course other people outside these large alliances have a chance so to speak, my issue is that these candidates are getting on the CSM purely becuase their own members voted for them, and have direct links with them. If these guys where not part of the large alliances, they would never get voted for, never!

So, when I vote for my Senator as he runs for president, he's fixing the election by using the votes of people who already support him? Or when an entire family is involved in politics and each member goes campaigning to help the other family members, that's election fraud?

Sure, at a national level, very few people have the connections to gain a large number of votes from groups not specifically set up to help consolidate power (parties), but you see this sort of thing all the time at a local level. You have the small town mayor who's family has always been mayor, the small town sheriff (an elected position usually) who was supported by his brother the mayor, and as such wins in a landslide every term.

In real politics, no matter how they are affiliated with the candidate, so long as a voter is eligible to vote, their vote counts.

Now IF you could prove buying votes or threats were involved, you might have a case, BUT that was explicitly condoned in the CSM elections, since this is EVE and HTFU.

When does the CSM voting begin?

Someone's mad he's not popular

I wish Mittani was Putin.

I would say having one representative for each of those areas and no chairman would be the way to go but still leave the voting up to the players. Allow one vote per player overall so that one alliance can't control it all either. Whoever gets the most votes in each category is that years CSM for that category.

I like Big BUTs and I cannot lie.
You other brothers can't deny.
When a Rule's not broken an itty bitty inch,
and corruption's put in its place
I get EVE'd, wanna pull out my rules.

Point being that you missed that CAPSLOCKED "BUT" in my post. I'm fairly certain activity that would be defined in the USA as electoral fraud occurred. Now that we agree that that activity occurred, the onus is on you to show that it is disallowed by the rules of the CSM Elections (not the rules of the USA). Since I doubt you'll actually do that, I'll offer what would be my rebuttal;

Most activities that would be defined in the USA as electoral fraud were EXPLICITLY Condoned BY CCP in the last CSM election. This included threats (in game only ofc), Bribery, and other sorts of coercion.

tl;dr I seriously believe HONESTLY that this does happen. Seriously. It's also EXPLICITLY ALLOWED.

This whole "preconception" of widespread botting/RMT (in null) is a legacy from the fall of the NC, when the propaganda machines on both sides were going full gear and no claim needed evidence as long as it was smearing enough. Since then this whole notion has somewhat become common knowledge and many people accept it without second thinking.

Sure, I have had corpmates go bot hunting to drones with stealth bombers and drag bubbles, because they were certain that sooner or later they will find a bot. But I heard similar things said about certain southern regions, northern regions etc. I think in general, if a region is quiet enough for a long enough time, some botting operations may/will occur (and drones actually were one of the most stable areas in null). But to draw from that some colosal RMT/botting conspiracy, well that is quite a leap.

P.S.: I heard that that ratting Nyx was actually lost when the owner decided to play dead drunk and fell asleep in a middle of an anom. Sounds more plausible than someone being stupid enough to write such a bad bot.

CSM is a stupid idea. There will always be something wrong with it.

CCP is too out of touch to do its own dirty work and really read their own forums and know what players want they have to resort to a group of retards representing probably the null sec powerblocks whom barely get to actually play the game itself if they are actually running their organizations, unless they are complete ''no-lifers''. Why them? Because they have the biggest coalitions and alliances to get votes from, while players who have far more years of real experience in eve who are in npc/small corp or alliance have no chance of being put into CSM and actually affecting some good changes from their experience.

Just take some polls, ask some questions, get responses. Ignore the trolls. DEVs get to work and stop farting around with fail updates that no one cared about in the first place. Fix **** that has been wrong for years in the game. UI would be a good place to start (this doesn't include ripping off a start bar from your desktop)