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Let's Iterate Low Security Space!

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-28 01:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
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Hello space friends;

You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of Low Security Space. Iterations, improvements, additions, suggestions and all manner of constructive discussion are welcome!

I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.

So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?

I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Morganta
The Greater Goon
#2 - 2012-01-28 01:24:38 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello space friends;

You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of Low Security Space. Iterations, improvements, additions, suggestions and all manner of constructive discussion are welcome!

I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.

So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?

I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.


allow dictors to bubble

hictors and mobiles no, but dictors yes
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-01-28 01:26:01 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello space friends;

You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of Low Security Space. Iterations, improvements, additions, suggestions and all manner of constructive discussion are welcome!

I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.

So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?

I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.


allow dictors to bubble

hictors and mobiles no, but dictors yes

Why the differentiation?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#4 - 2012-01-28 01:31:45 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
*snip*
I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.
*snap*


Low sec is fine, leave it alone unless you know how 90% of the people who play there think about it.

If you want to change something look at the bounty system, the criminal watch system and maybe boosters. But that stuff is not restricted to low sec only.

If after that you still need something to do, look at projection of power with capitals, again, not restricted to low sec alone.


PS: there was a thread from somebody about some thoughts about the sec ratings/pvp aspect of low sec to enable weekend-warriors from high sec a go at it without marginalising them.. sounded nice.

PPS: low sec doesn't need carebears, understand that right from the start.
Ganagati
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-28 02:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganagati
My suggestion- Don't add bubbles. Lowsec is one of the few remaining places you can hope to find solo or small gang PvP, and one of the few places that highsec carebears dare to venture for some pew pew action (meaning more people for everyone else to fight).

If every highsec->lowsec gate can be bubbled, you will start to see a lot less movement from high->low, a reduction in the population of lowsec and the near death of small gang PvP. It'll become just another stomping ground for large alliance blobs, and everyone else will be reduced to wardeccing each other in highsec corps just to get any PvP.

Please don't kill lowsec. :(

The poster above me pretty much has it. Lowsec is as fine as it can be right now. It could be better, but changes to the system likely would only make things worse.

.

Morganta
The Greater Goon
#6 - 2012-01-28 02:24:45 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello space friends;

You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of Low Security Space. Iterations, improvements, additions, suggestions and all manner of constructive discussion are welcome!

I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.

So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?

I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.


allow dictors to bubble

hictors and mobiles no, but dictors yes

Why the differentiation?


you do play this game right?

I mean personally I wouldn't mind, but you got to give and take a little to move ahead
now I'm starting to question your political skills...
Are they really high or are you just using implants?
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-28 02:53:27 UTC

Burn low sec and drop the systems into a wormhole. Leave only the low sec systems needed for faction wars, high risk high sec shortcuts (and the occasional jump logistics landing zone).

This creates two types of system: CLS systems are systems that do not get flushed down the wormhole (god I'm talking to a goon about holes, what has the world come to). NLS systems mean new low sec. These systems become 0.0 - WH space with higher bounty rats. Ships may only jump out of NLS, they may not jump in.

No form of capital construction array may be anchored in NLS. Stations may not produce capships. There should be no bubbles.

Current high sec islands in low sec space become true islands. They have at least one attached CLS allowing access by cyno. Solitude becomes an isolated region.

All stations in NLS get replaced by wrecked stations. A wrecked station has no services, no market, and no contracts. Pilots may install a "station salvage module" in a wrecked station (think command center). This allows the pilot to install personal station service modules. You can have your own personal lab in a wrecked station (though these should give no more than a 10% time bonus, perhaps tied to a station salvage skill giving a 2% time bonus per level). Personal repair modules should probably use nanites/minerals as a consumed resource. Corps with offices at the station should be able to to construct similar structure at a corp level.

There is one form of ownership beacon that may be anchored by a corp to cliam a NLS station (one timer only). Ownership of this beacon allows the owning corp to install market, contracts, agent and office modules. The owning corp gets a cut of all taxes , brokers and office fees assessed at the station (maybe mission rewards). The owning corp can purchase NPC mission agents for the station off some form of market. The owning corp may not restrict docking rights, clone bay access, or impose docking fees. You can take a cut of the action at a wrecked stations market but it still retains elements of an NPC station.

A station owning corp may pay isk to repair the station causing the internal and external models to slowly shift from wrecked to repaired (the owning corp also gets some input into what the station hanger screen looks like). This should give some limited mechanical benefit (maybe allowing some station services to be restored), cost isk to maintain, and probably have the isk cost reduced based on the number of pilots using the station. Every docked pilot sees a 10km high banner with the owning corps choice of either their corp or alliance logo when docked.

There is a 60 second redocking timers at a wrecked station.

NLS comes in two types. First are the lost constellations. These are constellations that have retained their internal jump gates but have lost there connection to the rest of the universe. They have, somewhere, a WH connecting them to the shattered stars.

The shattered stars are systems that have come lose. They access the rest of the universe through a shifting system of wormholes. These systems have special kind of wormholes. A blueshifted wormhole is part of a path that leads through the shattered stars to empire. A red shifted wormhole leads to one of the high sec islands. From the lost constellations there are generally less jumps required to reach an island than to reach empire.

This gives us a bunch of petty empires, generating isk from mission running (with agents chosen by the station owners, so I suspect pirate factions will be well represented). Getting anything in or out is going to require a trip through a pirate infested pipe.

My big concern is trying to retain the kind of accidental communities that form in NRDS space. This might happen by tying level/choice of agents to the number of pilots living at a station. For extra fun, don't allow research agents to locate in NLS. This would do interesting things to the balance between T2 and faction gear and give T2 BPOs a strategic role.
Hicksimus
Torgue
#8 - 2012-01-28 02:59:01 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:


I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.



You mean the same Rifters that take 4 hits from a gate gun and die? Hint: Gate guns ruin a lot of fun and don't actually provide a useful level of security, just an annoyance.

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.

2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#9 - 2012-01-28 03:03:45 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Hello space friends;

You may or may not be aware that I am running for CSM in 2012. No hurt feelings from me if you didn't know that; honestly, I only know it because I'm the one doing it. In any event, it seems to me that the CSM could benefit from a consolidated list of what you fine folks think with regards to the present state of Low Security Space. Iterations, improvements, additions, suggestions and all manner of constructive discussion are welcome!

I realize that what I am asking is a bit out of the ordinary, because we have been trained to simply pick a politician based on what he claims to want and then to complain about the politicians who we perceive did not give us what we want. That is not the kind of politician that I am! I have no vested interest in or against Low Security Space. I bring no preconceived notions, no biases and no entanglements with me to the discussion. I just want a list of things that you, the People, would like to see done with regards to Low Security Space, and if I am elected then it is my solemn promise that I shall strive to the best of my ability to represent your expressed desires as a passionate advocate on your behalf.

So that's my spiel. Whether or not you vote for me, how about contributing to a list of things you'd like to see?

I, for one, am in love with Rifters. A vote for Lyris is a vote for Rifters.



The first 3 times I read "list of what you fine folks think" I thought it said "list of what you fools think"... I need more drinks


What I want is Arena PVP, since I am bored of looking for fights. Like ehm maybe alliance tournament but all the time with anyone being able to make a team and enter a queue or go to a specific location, in order to fight for ranking/fun or betting and perhaps even with instancing with or without podkilling and if without limit what implants you can use or make it without penatlies. Whatever, just want some more "E" in the word sport when it comes to eve online.

Also make lowesec matter and remove the zergs from it.
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-01-28 05:00:26 UTC
Remove the arbitrary restriction on Drug Labs/Moon Harvesting/Refinery Arrays that splits lowsec into "lowsec that is worth a damn" and 0.4

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....

Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-01-28 05:02:06 UTC
Ganagati wrote:
My suggestion- Don't add bubbles. Lowsec is one of the few remaining places you can hope to find solo or small gang PvP, and one of the few places that highsec carebears dare to venture for some pew pew action (meaning more people for everyone else to fight).

If every highsec->lowsec gate can be bubbled, you will start to see a lot less movement from high->low, a reduction in the population of lowsec and the near death of small gang PvP. It'll become just another stomping ground for large alliance blobs, and everyone else will be reduced to wardeccing each other in highsec corps just to get any PvP.

Please don't kill lowsec. :(

The poster above me pretty much has it. Lowsec is as fine as it can be right now. It could be better, but changes to the system likely would only make things worse.


Didn't you know lowsec is to be the new FW testing ground since the null sec mafioso's dont want the changes in their SOV space.

How does it feel to be a "hamster" on a wheel? Just don't expect any cheese I guess. Or as the old addage goes "who moved my cheese" in this case?
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-28 05:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Dbars Grinding
What? do you know the definition of Iterate ?

I have more space likes than you. 

Ganagati
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-28 05:10:24 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Ganagati wrote:
My suggestion- Don't add bubbles. Lowsec is one of the few remaining places you can hope to find solo or small gang PvP, and one of the few places that highsec carebears dare to venture for some pew pew action (meaning more people for everyone else to fight).

If every highsec->lowsec gate can be bubbled, you will start to see a lot less movement from high->low, a reduction in the population of lowsec and the near death of small gang PvP. It'll become just another stomping ground for large alliance blobs, and everyone else will be reduced to wardeccing each other in highsec corps just to get any PvP.

Please don't kill lowsec. :(

The poster above me pretty much has it. Lowsec is as fine as it can be right now. It could be better, but changes to the system likely would only make things worse.


Didn't you know lowsec is to be the new FW testing ground since the null sec mafioso's dont want the changes in their SOV space.

How does it feel to be a "hamster" on a wheel? Just don't expect any cheese I guess. Or as the old addage goes "who moved my cheese" in this case?


:(

.

Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-28 05:17:53 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
What? do you know the definition of Iterate ?


Yes.

In this case it means, low sec is our science project to make sure we can control FW mechanics before it effects null sec.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-01-28 05:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC 0.0 and other lowsec systems, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-01-28 07:14:33 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC space, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.


It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....

KrakizBad
Section 8.
#17 - 2012-01-28 07:16:04 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC space, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.


It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.

Only militia members in their own held systems being able to anchor bubbles? That's a f'ing great idea. Shocked No troll, it would be great.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-28 07:19:56 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC space, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.


It would be really cool if Militia members could anchor bubbles and use them sort of like checkpoints. After all, they are only tools, they aren't intrinsically bad things, it's just how they are used. I think that these ideas have some real merit.

Only militia members in their own held systems being able to anchor bubbles? That's a f'ing great idea. Shocked No troll, it would be great.

Sounds like we have a proposal that people like! I'll be sure to voice it, if I am elected to CSM7.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-28 07:21:37 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
People in FW get some station tweaking rights and can anchor some otherwise 0.0 exclusive modules in regions they hold like cynojammers, but by no means all.

People with high pirate faction standings get access to standings-exclusive, destructable stargates that respawn and connect to NPC 0.0 and other lowsec systems, simulating jump bridges but with NPC-generated routes.

These are some great ideas! Thank you for posting them. I'll be sure to mention them if I am elected.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-28 07:24:12 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Remove the arbitrary restriction on Drug Labs/Moon Harvesting/Refinery Arrays that splits lowsec into "lowsec that is worth a damn" and 0.4

I think I can add this seamlessly into some changes that other people have been asking for with regards to POS.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

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