Out of Pod Experience

I *prefer* Star Wars, at least the original trilogy, because it doesn't get mired up in technobabble and instead just assumes that the tech works because it works, and uses it to tell a story. In that sense, it's the better of the two scifi franchises. Compared to ST:TOS, it was a much more believable and consistent universe. Also, it's a lot more fun to watch.

Now when you roll in all the extended universes of both, I think I like the Star Trek universe better because Star Wars tried too hard to match Star Trek's technical side. There was no need to explain the mechanics of the Force or how lightsabers work or any of that...this is futuretech 10,000 years ahead of us. They would accept that something works the same way we accept the integrated circuit. Imagine H.G. Wells going on at length about how a modern cell phone works and you'll understand just how pointless it is.

Here's where Star Trek falls flat for me: they have all this amazing tech, yet they completely lack imagination on its application. There was a whole episode of TNG devoted to the Federation trying to turn Data into a prototype for an assembly line of androids, when they already know that they can use teleporters to duplicate most anything under the right circumstances. Instead of manufacturing new Datas, just duplicate him over and over again.

For that matter, why not replicate entire ships? A massive replicator system that would form ship hulls using all the matter they could feed the thing. I do recall them saying some materials can't be replicated, but those few things could then be installed in the replicated ship prior to launching it. And why bother with Star Fleet Academy? You've got some really brilliant crews out there. Copy their transporter patterns and beam a copy of them onto each newly replicated ship. Mix crew compositions from one ship to the next so they don't all perform identically...variation is a good thing. Enough matter and energy and you can form up a massive fleet in a matter of days.

In conclusion, Star Wars is fun if you don't overthink it, Star Trek overthinks itself, and Babylon 5 is better than both.

The reason why replication isn't utilized more in ST is purely for story reasons. You know this yourself from personal experience from playing video games. How much would your ship destruction in EVE matter, if you got an instant free replacement every time you lost one. Not that much propably. This is why it's not done. It would simply suck a lot of the drama away from the story, if all losses would be easily replaceable and people could be copied to fill the ranks. Also keep in mind that while ST tries to be a bit more scifi by often making how the tech functions a part of the story and annoy us with excessive amount of technobabble, the story and drama are still the primary consideration.

I do agree on the B5 being better than either part.

PS. There is a live action SW TV series in the making(with possible time travel plot), so it will be interesting to see how SW does in a series format. Currently it's a lot easier to rip apart ST consistency, since there is so much material from which to find inconsistencies and personal dislikes. In the live action category SW pretty much only has the movies and the holiday special to rely on and most of them were of questionable quality with this gold nugget as the cherry on top.

He wasn't wearing a helmet tho.. try taking only a couple Force bolts to the dome and dying from it when Luke, Mace, Yoda, and even Sidious himself absorbed far more full on shots of it.

Atleast he didn't die right after telling someone he trained.. that acted like some spoiled dim-witted child.. that he made out with his twin sister.

The only real death is being slowly disolved in a stomach for a thousand years.. so because of Boba Fett, Star Wars wins the whole arguement.

nvm

Huh.

Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, Commander. Daughter of Andre and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart! I am death incarnate, and the last living thing that you will ever see. God sent me.

Now just beat it if you can.

Fixed that for you.

And of course even that might be a bit optimistic. More likely the Star Trek ship would suffer an unfortunate holodeck malfunction that causes a polarized quantum radiation wave that detonates the warp core (after an appropriately dramatic several-minute countdown timer).

Merin's doing the realistic route where neither series is real (obviously) and we're talking about fictional stats on cardboard props. Can't stop us from having our fun, Geeks gonna geek.

That is assuming that the prefix Iso means the same thing in their universe as it does in our own. An Isoton could and likely is meant as an entirely different measurement then anything really used in our language and most likely has absolutely 0 relation to the prefix Iso.


So one bad example spoils the whole universe huh.



Bolded the wrong while most appear close for visual reason many, many fights do not and use ranges like this. Many of them happen at Warp Speed so it is safe to assume Torpedoes have Warp Engines.


Lets not, perhaps at the maximum range Torpedoes detonate when they run out of power or guidance whilst Phasers loose power. The point is that EVE Ships can not accurately hit that far out while Star Trek Ships can.

You can dislike that they use made up words and site bad examples created for story reasons all you want but going off of Cannon measurements of weapon yield and range Star Trek has a lot of very dangerous weapons.

Their have been numerous examples of large weapon yields that have caused massive destruction..

200m long Deathstar.

Planet Killer

Total Planet Bombardment Averted.

Bombardment then a Battle.

Story Reasons of course but Memory Alpha states that Photon Torps are terrible at under 15km.

Also I hate that movie. I don't think I have ever enjoyed any Star Trek Movie. All the Battles are much more Hollywood and everyone is so out of Character.

But not an effective range. It is more of an estimate but it is a very, very long range weapon.


I use Memory Alpha but a few things conflict. I am not trying to prove Star Trek is the best for instance without Transwarp Drive their ships are intolerably slow compared to Star Treks Hyper Space. Still slightly faster then EVE's Warp Drive but they do not have jump drives. I know that their are inaccuracies for Story purposes but that doesn't bug me all that much I mean it is entertainment and it is enjoyable.

I am not pointing to a universe being the best directly but Tech Wise Star Trek does have some pretty good stuff.