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Star Wars vs Star Trek

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#21 - 2012-01-28 22:49:28 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Not true until the show enterprise and the latest 2 ST movies, all before that have substance and goes along Gene's vision.


Maybe if you have the philosophical depth of a goldfish. For the rest of us, Star Trek's "deep" questions were superficial garbage, and more often than not the writers sided with childish idealism and rule-following over a sensible analysis of the consequences of each option. We see this come to its ultimate conclusion in Insurrection, a movie that depends entirely on the premise that it's better to let billions of people suffer and die than to inconvenience a few hundred.

And of course meanwhile the writing quality was exploring new depths of horrible. Just when we thought that the endless "plot device of the week" and open marketing to sexually-frustrated fanboys was bad, the movies gave us new definitions of the word. All of the next generation movies had plot holes so obvious a five year old could find them, to the point where the movie becomes entirely unwatchable if you spend even a few minutes thinking about it.

PS: everything after the original series was incredibly racist, if you actually think about it for more than a few minutes.

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Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-01-28 23:00:20 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
I think SW jumped the shark when they introduced those alliens that traveled from another galaxy and invaded SW galaxy.



I believe you mean ST, and specifically DS9 during the Dominion. I didn't watch as much of that though you have to admit ST fleet battles with a station included are pretty bad ass.

Watched even less of voyager, and never bothered with Enterprise.


I think 2 that beat out both ST and SW are Babylon 5, for their much better understanding of space physics and what felt like more real world type of politics, and Firefly, for giving us a view of what the little guys are doing while the big battles wage on which also gave us more of a connection with the crew that we were watching.


Enterprise was pretty damn good. At somepoints, you can't even recognize it as a Star Trek show.

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Jill Xelitras
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#23 - 2012-01-29 00:17:36 UTC
Well generally I think: Like the SciFi you like and don't compare it to other stuff.

I loved the 5th element, Aliens, Starship Troopers, V (the original series) ...

One of my all-time favourite games is Jedi Knight II: Outcast.

My favourite SciFi book is The Foundation Trilogy by Isaac Asimov.


All are different fictional worlds. Some tend to be more fantasy, some try to be "realistic". As long as I'm entertained, moved, amazed ... I'll take it.

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Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-29 04:55:14 UTC
Star Trek is a stupid f'king soap opera.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-01-29 05:54:25 UTC
Brisco County wrote:
Star Trek is a stupid f'king soap opera.

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Zofe Stormcaller
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-01-30 16:20:21 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I enjoyed a lot TNG and Voyager, but in terms of SF, Babylon 5 (minus the last and unnecesary season) completely owns everything else.

Story, characters and universe, Babylon 5 is a self-contained work of excellence. It managed to get right even the most dangerous stuff as long as the main arc lasted.

But then I am not 100% unbiased as i essentially love Susan Ivanova/Claudia Christian... Lol


This. B5, because people don't get nuked, tortured, gaslighted and politically whitewashed in star trek. It also has some truly fantastic lines :)
Alara IonStorm
#27 - 2012-01-30 16:31:27 UTC
Zofe Stormcaller wrote:

This. B5, because people don't get nuked, tortured, gaslighted and politically whitewashed in star trek.

Yes they do. They do a lot. Especially in Deep Space 9.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-01-30 16:37:46 UTC
Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...

Star Trek:
-Mobile communication
-non-invasive medical scans
-very short skirts on women
-touch screens and tablets

Star Wars:
-Terrorists can win

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Alara IonStorm
#29 - 2012-01-30 16:39:47 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...

Star Trek:
-Mobile communication
-non-invasive medical scans
-very short skirts on women
-touch screens and tablets
-Picard Facepalm

Star Wars:
-Terrorists can win

Fix'd
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-01-30 16:44:55 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...

Star Trek:
-Mobile communication
-non-invasive medical scans
-very short skirts on women
-touch screens and tablets
-Picard Facepalm
-Picard maneuver

Star Wars:
-Terrorists can win

Fix'd


Added 1 more thing that is awesome \o/

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Dessau
The Scope
#31 - 2012-01-30 17:07:14 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Let's see what each thing inspired and then make an informed decision...

Star Trek:
-Mobile communication
-non-invasive medical scans
-very short skirts on women
-touch screens and tablets
-Picard Facepalm
-Picard maneuver

Star Wars:
-Terrorists can win

Fix'd


Added 1 more thing that is awesome \o/

You're forgetting the Riker Lean.

Personally, I recommend people see Empire and Wrath of Khan... further than that they do so at their peril. I enjoyed TNG and its serialized problem-solving, but the first few seasons really pale compared with later stuff, the writing being really sanitary and saccharine in order to please the network execs I guess. Still, B5 and Firefly were much better series for me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2012-01-31 10:42:03 UTC
Empire Strikes Back > New Hope > Return of the Jedi > All ST > SW on ice > **** on a stick > cancer > SW prequels.
Alara IonStorm
#33 - 2012-01-31 14:10:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Empire Strikes Back > New Hope > Return of the Jedi > All ST > SW on ice > **** on a stick > cancer > SW prequels.

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#34 - 2012-01-31 14:16:40 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?



Each year a couple of us places bets to see who can watch that the longest. I never get past the wookie argument in the beginning.

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Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-01-31 14:47:41 UTC
Star Wars is just childish fantasy stuff. Star Trek is much more mature. Smile
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baltec1
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Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2012-01-31 16:32:54 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Empire Strikes Back > New Hope > Return of the Jedi > All ST > SW on ice > **** on a stick > cancer > SW prequels.

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?


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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
#37 - 2012-02-01 08:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: W1rlW1nd
Alara IonStorm wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Empire Strikes Back > New Hope > Return of the Jedi > All ST > SW on ice > **** on a stick > cancer > SW prequels.

Where does the Christmas Special fit in on this list?



I feel like it should be several ">" farther down on that list, but for the life of me I can't think of anything else worse to add to the list than SW prequels, hmmm. Even Ang Lee Hulk is between Cancer and SW prequel. . .
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#38 - 2012-02-01 10:20:36 UTC
To cut it short



lol win.

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Bek Thyron
#39 - 2012-02-01 14:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bek Thyron
*puts his flame-proof suit on*

I prefer ST because of Picard. And Kirk, to some extent. But Picard first.

Seriously guys...how can a man (no not a man, a being of awesome AWESOMENESS) be so damn awesome as Picard?
Janeway is a woman, Cisco? WTF is Sisco. Kirk + Picard = Dreamteam, imo.

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We need a reboot. Timetravel **** goes wrong, Picard and Kirk ended both in a time periode. And they kicking asses through the galaxy! Picard is cool and always tries to reason with Kirk, but Kirk is always like "Naw, fk it, im gonna just punch those aliens." "No James, they are new species! We have to speak with them first...aww, whatcham talkin' about, PREPARE PHOTON TORPEDOES."
And sometimes we would see Janeway bringing them tea and snacks and Sisco in the background, just looking totally out of place and dont knowing wtf to do, and Riker makes fun of him. Like "Hey Sisco, what do you think about being a spaceship captain? Ahahahaha i forgot, you ARENT A REAL ONE ahahahah" -

tldr: Picard and Kirk at Tanagra.
Alara IonStorm
#40 - 2012-02-01 14:55:26 UTC
Bek Thyron wrote:
Janeway is a woman, Cisco? WTF is Sisco. Kirk + Picard = Dreamteam, imo.

I don't know who this Cisco I never saw him on the show but he seems like a sad character. Perhaps he served under Captain Sisko the Captain of the USS Defiant and the Greatest Federation Commander during the Dominion War leading the Battles of DS9 Chin'toka and Cardassia. Their names sound alike.

Also Janeway serving tea. Janeway thinks tea is a pussy drink for limp dicks. So much so that her terrible future involved tea. Thank god she went back in time face to face murdered the Borg Queen and like fifty Borg Cubes and a Massive planet sized Star Complex. Remember when Kirk and Picard destroyed 30 Borg Cubes... Wait never mind they were busy drinking tea.

Every Starfleet Captain is Awesome.