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T2 BPO COmmunity Fund - Official Launch
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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#21 - 2012-01-27 22:11:50 UTC
@Jimmyhatt:
That's nice. But considering I only have (excluding the donations so far) about 3.5B Isk to hand it's not exactly a grand claim. Blink

@klar valimar:
There is no way I can remove all the T2 BPOs from the game with this. If it helps think of what I'm doing as something that makes your eventual acquisition of a T2 BPO all the sweeter. You will own one of fewer than exist now. Maybe.


As far as T2 BPOs being "such a small portion of the manufacturing pot", the information that CCP released would tend to disagree. A little over half of all T2 ships were produced from BPOs and a little under a thrid of all T2 modules were produced from BPOs.

I think that the biggest issue people have with them is that, again according to CCP, 10% of those producing T2 modules/ships account for 34% of the volume. That's volume by quantity and not price.

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Rasz Lin
#22 - 2012-01-28 05:01:28 UTC
WTS a video of me trashing T2 BPO, any BPO you request. Pixel perfect 1080i + text log :P
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#23 - 2012-01-28 07:38:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
BEST SCAM EVER Shocked

Give me isk, Give me isk, Give me isk
Callean Drevus
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-28 09:01:26 UTC
I do not know why I think this, but Lauren is a reputable person. As such, I do not think he is actually scamming here.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-28 10:26:31 UTC
Callean Drevus wrote:
I do not know why I think this, but Lauren is a reputable person. As such, I do not think he is actually scamming here.


all scammers have to start somewhere

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#26 - 2012-01-28 19:03:30 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
BEST SCAM EVER Shocked

Give me isk, Give me isk, Give me isk


Not quite. I may as well highlight the similarity between this and a successful scam although I'd bet that most people won't remember it or have been around for it. Anyone remember Yih? He ran a successful scam despite it being fairly obvious that the chance of scam was high. His plan? Disband goons, he got Kartoon to pretend to be his main as "proof" that he could pull it off.

The similarity? People gave him isk against their better judgement on the slim chance that he was for real. Whilst I am not using this to scam it is doing a similar thing: Gathering Isk from those that desire the outcome stated.

So yeah, I'd vote Yih for best scam evar!



@Callean Drevus:
Prepare to become my obvious alt!

@Andski:
Very true, however there are not many scammers that start by undergoing a full VV audit and running a successful IPO for 6 months before cashing everyone out. If I were to scam it'd need to be a for a significantly higher amount than I am ever likely to hold at any one time with this. If you see me launch "FPA Obvious scam bond: 200b unsecured @ 20%" then you should start worrying. Blink

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Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#27 - 2012-01-28 19:04:08 UTC
On the plus side though, I've received an additional 50M so the fund now stands at 1,179M

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W3370Pi4
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-28 20:41:42 UTC
nice scam you deserve a cookie for it
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#29 - 2012-01-28 21:18:18 UTC
Still not a scam, even for a cookie.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-01-28 21:20:56 UTC
I support this product and/or service and/or scam.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#31 - 2012-01-28 21:37:38 UTC
Further 3m sent to make up to what was apparently the correct meme in the first place and to prove that I am without a shadow of a doubt, a LH alt.

Albeit a more wrinkly one.

With longer skirts trousers.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#32 - 2012-01-29 00:18:06 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I support this product and/or service and/or scam.


Supporters send isk. Just saying.




@everyone who sent isk:
New improved [T2H8R] shares are now in your wallets. Spread the love.

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J0HN RAMB0
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-01-29 00:37:00 UTC
If you want to proof that this is legit you have to use a third party to hold the ISK. The third party would also have to buy the BPO and destroy it. The BPO has to be destroyed by killing a ship that has the BPO in its cargohold. You can then use the API to proof that the BPO was destroyed.
Kara Roideater
#34 - 2012-01-29 10:25:34 UTC
J0HN RAMB0 wrote:
If you want to proof that this is legit you have to use a third party to hold the ISK. The third party would also have to buy the BPO and destroy it.


Why? Lauren has held a few bil in public money before and it is highly unlikely that this scheme will ever end up with her holding more than 5 or 6 bil, an amount she could easily get her hands on if she ran a straightforward bond. API pull for the destruction is a good idea though.

In the unlikely event that this programme becomes sufficiently popular that Lauren is so flooded with isk that the figures get into the double figure billions at any one time, I would be happy to hold anything above a fixed cap if that would be felt to be useful.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#35 - 2012-01-29 20:47:34 UTC
Yeah, no worries on passing either blocks of Isk or collateral (to usual bond terms) if by some miracle I end up getting inundated with purchases.

Destroying via ganking a ship with it in the hold is doable but runs the risk of losing it before it is destroyed. If that were to happen how would you expect me to prove that it wasn't a staged gank by one of my unknown alts?

The thought behind the frapsing of trashing it was that it was the easiest way to ensure and prove the destruction. The basic outline of the fraps footage would include an open local window (the BPO is most likely to be located in Jita) with only the BPO in the hangar, a show info being performed followed by the trash and confirmation box.

One alternative I had considered involved a live stream of the client with a public chat channel open that any interested parties could join and speak in to accompany the fraps. That would, however, require me to sort out my connection or talk someone else into doing it and uploading some fraps after the event. I like the idea of a live stream since it would open up the "I was there" side of things as well. Smile

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Dethmourne Silvermane
Silvermane Holdings LTD
#36 - 2012-01-29 22:16:55 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
Yeah, no worries on passing either blocks of Isk or collateral (to usual bond terms) if by some miracle I end up getting inundated with purchases.

Destroying via ganking a ship with it in the hold is doable but runs the risk of losing it before it is destroyed. If that were to happen how would you expect me to prove that it wasn't a staged gank by one of my unknown alts?

The thought behind the frapsing of trashing it was that it was the easiest way to ensure and prove the destruction. The basic outline of the fraps footage would include an open local window (the BPO is most likely to be located in Jita) with only the BPO in the hangar, a show info being performed followed by the trash and confirmation box.

One alternative I had considered involved a live stream of the client with a public chat channel open that any interested parties could join and speak in to accompany the fraps. That would, however, require me to sort out my connection or talk someone else into doing it and uploading some fraps after the event. I like the idea of a live stream since it would open up the "I was there" side of things as well. Smile


I can think of a good way to gank them, but you'd have to get them to a safe-enough location first.

Interested Party (TM)
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#37 - 2012-01-29 23:05:13 UTC
Well, my first thought was to tripple account it.

1) Orca to move the BPO in corp hangar with a bunch of shuttles in the SMA. Sets up in a proper safe in a quiet high-sec system.
2) Sacrificial pilot in shuttle grabs from the corp hangar.
3) Main pew pews it to death.
4) Sacrificial pilot gets into new shuttle.
5) If BPO not destroyed sacrificial pilot picks it out the can and awaits destruction.
6) Repeat sreps 3-6 as required.

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Jurinak
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-01-30 10:36:07 UTC
- thrashing some shitload BPOs like "foxfire rocket thrash"
- he guys now lets buy some good BPOs
- collect a few Hundred Bill.

Profit \o/

nice try, so stupid that it will work, for sure because a lot of people think that T2 BPOs are a bad thing and they a stupid like hell
Aggressive Nutmeg
#39 - 2012-02-07 06:08:45 UTC
Lauren Hellfury wrote:
What is it?

The fund provides a means for players to group together in order to acquire T2 BPOs for the sole purpose of their removal from the game. This is achieved by simply buying any available T2 BPO from the market and trashing it. The trashing of all T2 BPOs is captured using a screen grabber and the video is then edited and uploaded to youtube.
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Why do this?

The existence of T2 BPOs within EVE online is viewed by many as an abhorrent anomaly. These people believe that the T2 BPOs unduly and unfairly influence the profit available to and the viability of invention. There are others who simply feel that they are an outdated resource that should be removed.

There are repeated calls for CCP to remove them from the game via various proposed mechanics from a simple deletion from the database through mutations on spawning Isk, utilising Isk seized from RMTers to purchase at market rate or an arbitrary fixed price. This is unlikely to ever happen.

The problem is that T2 BPOs are expensive and many people will never acquire enough isk at any one point in time to be able to buy them. This is where the fund comes in. By selling shares belonging to the in-game Corporation capital is built up to enable us to remove these items from the game on behalf of the players that want to see this happen.


How does it work?

Very simply, you send Isk to me in multiples of 1M and I will return to you an equivalent number of shares. You are then free to do with the shares what you wish. The corp ticker is [T2H8R] so if you know anyone that is a T2 Hater then send some their way - or even better, encourage them to participate.

The previous thread, here, is now defunct and was a more humourous approach to things. But since I've received over 1.1B in donations to this fund I thought it only right to do it properly.

You can find more information on this including a brief bit on how T2 BPOs affect things over here on a sub-page of my blog. Please help spread the word and let's get the first BPO trashed asap!

Regards,
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My nonsense alarm just went off. But...Aah... too lazy to argue the point...

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
#40 - 2012-02-07 07:38:06 UTC
You know, this is a win-win.

Lauren destroys T2BPOs-Win

Laura Acquires T2BPOs through public donations-Win

Either we help rid EVE of 'ebil' T2BPOs, or help fund an epic scam.

As was said, it's so stupid it will/should/could work.

Whether it is will be a result I'm loooking forward to with great anticipation. Big smile

Either way, good job Lauren, I like the ambition.

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