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There will never be a CSM representative for highsec..

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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
#1 - 2012-01-27 04:21:58 UTC
Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game.
And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible.
So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.

It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. Cool
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-01-27 04:23:17 UTC
true ..

people living in high sec got nothing real to gain ..

people living in large blocks in null on the other hand.. have their own reason to become rich Big smile
None ofthe Above
#3 - 2012-01-27 04:26:15 UTC
Cynicism got you down? Vote for me!

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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#4 - 2012-01-27 04:36:11 UTC
There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote.

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Caldari Citizen 786478786
#5 - 2012-01-27 04:42:05 UTC
Tres Farmer wrote:
Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game.
And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible.
So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.

It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. Cool



So wait, what you're saying is, people who play the game only in high-sec and play the game casually aren't passionate about the game? I won't go so far as to say that's the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, but it is the dumbest thing I've read today. EVE's sandbox means a whole lot of different things to a whole lot of different people and where one chooses to spend his/her time and how much time he/she chooses to spend there has zero impact on how passionate they are about the game. By your logic, anybody with a full-time job and a family can't enjoy EVE or influence it's future through the CSM as much as somebody who may be unemployed, bathes far too infrequently and post far too often on teh forumz.
Shukuzen Kiraa
F4G Wild Weasel
#6 - 2012-01-27 04:47:05 UTC
Only took reading the first line to realize you had no idea wtf you were talking about.
Vyl Vit
#7 - 2012-01-27 04:47:21 UTC
Tres Farmer wrote:
Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game.
And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible.
So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.

It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. Cool


OH, bull. Nice bit of speculating there, regardless of how misguided.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-27 04:49:40 UTC
I'm very passionate about the game. Everything I do I do mostly in high... sometimes in low sec and have been in 0.0 very little.

I can get everything I want from High. It is as simple as that.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Wot I Think
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-27 04:51:32 UTC
Mr M wrote:
gate


C A M P !
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#10 - 2012-01-27 04:56:22 UTC
My only question for our future highsec candidates is which one of you is the best spoon thrower?
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#11 - 2012-01-27 05:06:10 UTC
Why would casual high sec players need a CSM representative anyways?
Ai Shun
#12 - 2012-01-27 05:27:38 UTC
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
I won't go so far as to say that's the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, but it is the dumbest thing I've read today.


You haven't read a post by Met Worst or Lyrashae today then, have you?
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-27 05:33:28 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Why would casual high sec players need a CSM representative anyways?



The CSM has turned its collective gaze on the isk faucet that is the Incursions.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
met worst
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-27 05:38:42 UTC
Tres Farmer wrote:
Because people who play in high sec and who aren't alts of any other group aren't as passionate about the game.
And being passionate about the game is needed to become a CSM representative.. it's additional stress and work besides playing this game, which even after you did it to the best of your knowledge and ability in 90% of the cases earns you mockery and verbal abuse. For people who are just playing casually this is not feasible.
So the only ones, who rally for CSM and take the downsides are those who get something out of it for their group.

It's funny though.. a very large group, composed of casual players has no voice because of the nature of it's members. Cool


The problem is not passion. The problem is a fracturing of the vote because there is no single cause to gravitate a vote and each corp/alliance in highsec is generally a very small affair. They don't need to be big to survive so there is no motivation to "form up" as it were.

0.0 alliance loyalty (and bribery) accounts for a largest portion of the CSM and this cannot be countered by 10,000 different corps/alliances even if there was unity in objectives. Most people DGAF about 0.0 but 0.0 is the only one with the means to secure the vote simply because of it's very structure. It's fait accompli before the first election shot is even fired.

We need the selection system to be sector based (how is the question) so candidates AND voters will have motivation and impetus to stand or vote for at LEAST one candidate within the region they are resident.

Only then will their interest be charged up enough to act.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#15 - 2012-01-27 05:38:54 UTC
Mr M wrote:
There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote.


There it is, that's all true.

It's not a problem about a shortage of suitable delegates, it's a problem of the apathy of most Highsec dwellers who simply remain ignorant about the entire CSM process. Or, knowing about the process, are simply are not bothered to vote as an odd, self-defeating form of "protest" on their part. This makes them think that in this way, they are then allowed to spew crap at a later date when they see things happening which they do not agree with. Then they blame the CSM for all their sorrows and woes, and "who voted for you anyway?" and "Highsec does not have a chance" and so on.

The candidates are there.

Vote - and have at least some modicum of inner peace knowing that when you have a gripe about something going-on in or with this game, you can at least voice your concern from a position of having being a participant.

Don't Vote - and have at least a modicum of decency to stop complaining like an unpaid hooker, knowing that you could not give a crap about ensuring that someone who was at least somewhat representing some of your interests and concerns, was not in the CSM - because of your little "non-contribution".

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Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#16 - 2012-01-27 05:40:13 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Why would casual high sec players need a CSM representative anyways?



The CSM has turned its collective gaze on the isk faucet that is the Incursions.


Begun, the CSM war has.
met worst
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-01-27 05:43:57 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
I won't go so far as to say that's the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums, but it is the dumbest thing I've read today.


You haven't read a post by Met Worst or Lyrashae today then, have you?

What's dumb is people saying things are dumb simply because they do not agree. Thank **** the world was full of smarter people before you came along. You wouldn't have a vote - you'd be told who the boss is. A bit like our current CSM. It's a foregone and I, along with many others are challenging the process.

As someone said - the CSM is the REAL part of Eve and the "lack of rules" employed WITHIN the game should not apply externally.

If you are so damned right that the status quo is fine and "works" then YOU have nothing to worry about anyway do you?
met worst
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-01-27 05:51:44 UTC
Thorn Galen wrote:
Mr M wrote:
There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote.


There it is, that's all true.

It's not a problem about a shortage of suitable delegates, it's a problem of the apathy of most Highsec dwellers who simply remain ignorant about the entire CSM process. Or, knowing about the process, are simply are not bothered to vote as an odd, self-defeating form of "protest" on their part. This makes them think that in this way, they are then allowed to spew crap at a later date when they see things happening which they do not agree with. Then they blame the CSM for all their sorrows and woes, and "who voted for you anyway?" and "Highsec does not have a chance" and so on.

The candidates are there.

Vote - and have at least some modicum of inner peace knowing that when you have a gripe about something going-on in or with this game, you can at least voice your concern from a position of having being a participant.

Don't Vote - and have at least a modicum of decency to stop complaining like an unpaid hooker, knowing that you could not give a crap about ensuring that someone who was at least somewhat representing some of your interests and concerns, was not in the CSM - because of your little "non-contribution".

A load of drivel. It's not all apathy, it's not a lack of understanding, it's frustration at a ****** system.

People can't be bothered because it DOES NOT represent them properly. The sandbox in Eve ensures neccessity for large 0.0 alliance blocs (they HAVE to be big to survive). Highsec does NOT have the need to "survive" and it negates the neccessity for highsec to form up.

The CSM system fails at the fundamental level because it does NOT address that single intrinsic imbalance.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#19 - 2012-01-27 05:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Serge Bastana
Zirse wrote:
My only question for our future highsec candidates is which one of you is the best spoon thrower?


Paging the Blue Raja

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#20 - 2012-01-27 05:58:03 UTC
met worst wrote:
Thorn Galen wrote:
Mr M wrote:
There's been highsec delegates, not impossible that there will be new ones. But that wont happen as long as people don't care to vote.


There it is, that's all true.

It's not a problem about a shortage of suitable delegates, it's a problem of the apathy of most Highsec dwellers who simply remain ignorant about the entire CSM process. Or, knowing about the process, are simply are not bothered to vote as an odd, self-defeating form of "protest" on their part. This makes them think that in this way, they are then allowed to spew crap at a later date when they see things happening which they do not agree with. Then they blame the CSM for all their sorrows and woes, and "who voted for you anyway?" and "Highsec does not have a chance" and so on.

The candidates are there.

Vote - and have at least some modicum of inner peace knowing that when you have a gripe about something going-on in or with this game, you can at least voice your concern from a position of having being a participant.

Don't Vote - and have at least a modicum of decency to stop complaining like an unpaid hooker, knowing that you could not give a crap about ensuring that someone who was at least somewhat representing some of your interests and concerns, was not in the CSM - because of your little "non-contribution".

A load of drivel. It's not all apathy, it's not a lack of understanding, it's frustration at a ****** system.

People can't be bothered because it DOES NOT represent them properly. The sandbox in Eve ensures neccessity for large 0.0 alliance blocs (they HAVE to be big to survive). Highsec does NOT have the need to "survive" and it negates the neccessity for highsec to form up.

The CSM system fails at the fundamental level because it does NOT address that single intrinsic imbalance.


The only election null has ever controlled was the last one. Are you implying that highseccers everywhere have given up after one election? Or that they gave up even before the outcome of the last one was assured? (I do recall a somewhat serious 'save the csm' campaign being run by mynxee or something similar.)

Highsec has the ability to be very well represented in the CSM they just lack the will or the desire to get it done.
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