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Boycott the CSM selection process and vote
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#121 - 2012-01-28 02:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
Not many players even use the forums. So it would still not be representative of the current player base.

You'd also end up with a lot of pandering.
met worst
Doomheim
#122 - 2012-01-28 02:37:11 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Not many players even use the forums. So it would still not be representative of the current player base.

You'd also end up with a lot of pandering.

It IS representative.

Only those that CARE use the forums.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#123 - 2012-01-28 03:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
met worst wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Not many players even use the forums. So it would still not be representative of the current player base.

You'd also end up with a lot of pandering.

It IS representative.

Only those that CARE use the forums.



I see no reason to believe such a statement.

I think that it's purely based on your peronsal situation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#124 - 2012-01-28 06:58:14 UTC
met worst wrote:

Majority voting in a democracy is fine. This is neither a democratic process nor is it a majority.


People campaign, then everyone has the option to vote. Sounds like the process is pretty damn democratic. You're upset with the results that arose from that process due to factors outside of the CSM process.

Well guess what. That's what happens in a Democracy. Sometimes good politicians get screwed by factors entirely out of their control. Like something they advocated as safe blows up in a freak accident, or a position they held based on the best information they had becomes unpopular due to a sudden change in the information.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#125 - 2012-01-28 07:28:58 UTC
met worst wrote:
Majority voting in a democracy is fine. This is neither a democratic process nor is it a majority.
What's undemocratic about it, and why are you so hung up on majorities (something that's not even relevant to democratic processes of this kind)?
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#126 - 2012-01-28 08:01:41 UTC
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Would be better to petition CCP to add "None of the Above" and "Drop CSM" to the ballot in order to really determine what the customers think.


So much this.
None ofthe Above
#127 - 2012-01-28 08:04:30 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
Quote:
Would be better to petition CCP to add "None of the Above" and "Drop CSM" to the ballot in order to really determine what the customers think.


So much this.


Agreed

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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#128 - 2012-01-28 09:00:57 UTC
met worst wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Not many players even use the forums. So it would still not be representative of the current player base.

You'd also end up with a lot of pandering.

It IS representative.

Only those that CARE use the forums.


So only forum whores care about the game? What a completely dumb ******* statement.

Bottom line is the CSM and all things related to it, including the entire election process, needs to be more in game. Not out of game, like the forums.
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-01-28 09:08:17 UTC
I'm a cop ;)
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-01-28 09:08:27 UTC
(ingame) ;)
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#131 - 2012-01-28 09:08:34 UTC
There has always been the abstain button available to express your disdain for the CSM. It never got more votes than the rest of the votes combined, so I can conclude that the amount of people that want about the CSM disbanded aren't all that many.

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met worst
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-01-28 09:18:16 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
There has always been the abstain button available to express your disdain for the CSM. It never got more votes than the rest of the votes combined, so I can conclude that the amount of people that want about the CSM disbanded aren't all that many.

Because the abstain button could also be ignored. CCP perhaps had a belief that it might draw some kind of disinterest data.
J Kunjeh
#133 - 2012-01-28 09:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: J Kunjeh
met worst wrote:
If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote.

If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become.

Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system.

Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.


Umm, that's pretty much what most of the player base did last year and as far as I can tell it didn't matter one wit.

If you had any brains you'd be supporting the fielding of a "disband the CSM" candidate, but alas...

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
met worst
Doomheim
#134 - 2012-01-28 09:55:36 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
met worst wrote:
If you truly think as I do that the CSM selection system is flawed, pointless and no more than a 0.0 boys club, don't stand, don't select and don't vote.

If CCP can see that the CSM is wasted effort for THE MAJORITY (as it always has been), emphasise the irrelevance by treating it like the festering sore it has become.

Force the issue to a fairer method of representation. Better to have no system than a bad system.

Show your disgust. DO NOTHING.


Umm, that's pretty much what most of the player base did last year and as far as I can tell it didn't matter one wit.

Uh huh.

But if the vote gets worse?

One needs to determine whether my "prediction" about CCP responding to a lower turnout is gonna happen and whether one should GET OFF THEIR ASS AND VOTE SO THAT:-

1) Mittens is thrown out.
2) Highsec gets a rep.

Make the call EVE........

Dang. I gone done said it.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2012-01-28 13:23:02 UTC
I love it when people don't vote and feel they have the nerve to whine about the people that got elected.

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