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Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#61 - 2012-01-27 06:37:49 UTC
Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot.

Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!!

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-01-27 06:39:31 UTC
met worst wrote:
Quote:

"If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don´t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we´re at fault, aren´t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama


Any vote or action FOR the CSM process (irrespective of the candidates or their platforms) is a vote SUPPORTING the current system. As I have said, this is fine if you ARE happy with the current structure. No problem there.

But in considering the DL quote, my motivation is by NOT exploiting the current system to gain short term satisfaction but is to look further into how the CSM *could* be structured for a much longer and more certain future for ALL players.

Looking at ways this can be done MIGHT include apathetic (read passive) protest.

Sometimes the majority can be most effective by being silent.


Interesting that you would see the DL quote as neccesarily targeted at yourself.

and his complete view on the matter is:

"Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent." - DL

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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#63 - 2012-01-27 06:40:08 UTC
I suggest high seccers vote for the Blue Raja so we can some quality cutlery throwing at the CSM meetings.

And you can all fork off if you don't.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

AnkaD
Simply Terribad
#64 - 2012-01-27 06:41:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
met worst wrote:
Andski wrote:
everyone ignores the 600 pound gorilla in the room that is the reason for the nullsec ~takeover~ of the CSM

CCP put all sorts of stupid ideas past the last CSM, like "jump bridges are the primary means of force projection" and we ended up with CCP discussing removing jump bridges entirely and nerfing anomalies into the ground.

had those changes gone through as presented to the last CSM, nullsec would be dead with a few shell alliances holding space.

Admirable but you missed the point. 66% of the Eve playerbase care less.

Might actually allow some of 'em to get started and REALLY stir things up.

The fat lazy pricks sitting on their fat 0.0 asses while their minions do their bidding is what is ******* the game up. 34% don't know it yet because they don't have to think beyond the next op and/or anom.


oh man please keep that crap coming my way

tell me more about how nullsec players are mindless drones when it's the highsec publords who are great at doing repetitive tasks mindlessly, i.e. mining, missions and incursions

that 66% of the playerbase doesn't give a **** and do not care about the game as long as they can do whatever dumb crap it is they do


not empty quoting
None ofthe Above
#65 - 2012-01-27 06:42:05 UTC
met worst wrote:


SUPPORT INACTION.


A vote for me is a vote for inaction!

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#66 - 2012-01-27 06:52:31 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot.

Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!!


"Whatever it is, we're against it!" (Marx Brothers, IIRC)

Works for me Bear

Ni.
met worst
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-01-27 06:52:47 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
met worst wrote:
Quote:

"If you must be selfish, then be wise and not narrow-minded in your selfishness. The key point lies in the sense of universal responsibility. That is the real source of strength, the real source of happiness. If we exploit everything available, such as trees, water and minerals, and if we don´t plan for our next generation, for the future, then we´re at fault, aren´t we? However, if we have a genuine sense of universal responsibility as our central motivation, then our relations with the environment, and with all our neighbours, will be well balanced". - his holiness the Dalai Lama


Any vote or action FOR the CSM process (irrespective of the candidates or their platforms) is a vote SUPPORTING the current system. As I have said, this is fine if you ARE happy with the current structure. No problem there.

But in considering the DL quote, my motivation is by NOT exploiting the current system to gain short term satisfaction but is to look further into how the CSM *could* be structured for a much longer and more certain future for ALL players.

Looking at ways this can be done MIGHT include apathetic (read passive) protest.

Sometimes the majority can be most effective by being silent.


Interesting that you would see the DL quote as neccesarily targeted at yourself.

and his complete view on the matter is:

"Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent." - DL

I didn't see your post as a rebuttal. I quoted because I liked it's context in what I am trying to achieve. That's why I paraphrased you're latest DL addition.

Unfortunately, to be able to drive this "dynamic impression" I seek I cannot personally be silent. Oh the irony.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#68 - 2012-01-27 06:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Andski wrote:
I fully support this. Boycott the vote.


Your troll-fu is lacking finesse and panache, Young One.

So...Met Worst =...hmmmm....not Mittani, he's usually more openly up-himself about this sort of thing...

Vile Rat? Maybe the return of Karttoon?

E: Well, whatever--in any case, this thread: It delivers.

Ni.
Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-01-27 06:56:31 UTC
Democracy is exactly what you seem to dislike. If you don't vote you have no voice, get that 66% of hisec bears to vote for someone that supports their aims, whatever they are.

Or shut up. I lived in empire when I voted last year, I voted for low sec improvements. I hope we get them in time but just saying " we don't care" is not going to help. CCP need input and feedback.

What *specifically* is your issue with them OP?

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-01-27 06:56:47 UTC
What's wrong with the current CSM?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
met worst
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-01-27 06:56:54 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
Met worst is an obvious goon troll to get people to not vote, so that mittens wins the vote by a longshot.

Constituents really wanting to make a difference should vote to me,I vow to oppose anything that mittens aggrees with!!

How odd.

I'm actually saying boycott the damn vote so Mittens and his henchman cannot **** the CSM (and subsequently Eve) over again and then claim credit when someone else actually does the work.

Oppostion in method, united in objective. Blink
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#72 - 2012-01-27 06:59:51 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
What's wrong with the current CSM?


Oh.

Hi, there.

You're a bit late, aren't you?

Ni.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-01-27 07:00:55 UTC
We should get rid of the entire election. Let Mittens, chairman of the most successful CSM in history, choose the rest of the council and go from there.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#74 - 2012-01-27 07:01:30 UTC
Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy.

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
met worst
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-01-27 07:01:33 UTC
Emiko Luan wrote:
Democracy is exactly what you seem to dislike. If you don't vote you have no voice, get that 66% of hisec bears to vote for someone that supports their aims, whatever they are.

Or shut up. I lived in empire when I voted last year, I voted for low sec improvements. I hope we get them in time but just saying " we don't care" is not going to help. CCP need input and feedback.

What *specifically* is your issue with them OP?

And if you'd had the decency to read the thread you'd see that I'm suggesting giving CCP TRUE feedback by saying the majority DGAF about the CSM by turning their back on it.

Happened last time with pisspoor voting turnout - make it even MORE obvious because they missed it.
met worst
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-01-27 07:03:16 UTC
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy.

Bingo. Give the man a Kewpie Doll.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2012-01-27 07:05:01 UTC
met worst still avoids naming one single example of how CSM 6 has hurt the game. Interesting...

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#78 - 2012-01-27 07:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallianna Avenkarde
met worst wrote:
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:
Boycotting the vote just means you don't have a vote. CCP will not notice, nor care, due to the fact that only a small percentage of people vote anyway. Your opposition will be lost in a sea of apathy.

Bingo. Give the man a Kewpie Doll.



Well then Mr Hawking, obviously you are of higher intellect then I, explain how your boycott actually makes a difference?

How is one more person not voting in a system where no one votes, making a huge difference?

Oh wait I know, Mittens gets in again and you still have something to whine about..

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.
Disband the CSM
#79 - 2012-01-27 07:13:55 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
What's wrong with the current CSM?


RARGH! Argle bargle, yo!

We in hisec need represent!
Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-01-27 07:51:33 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
met worst still avoids naming one single example of how CSM 6 has hurt the game. Interesting...

not pushing for industry changes. at this rate, CCP will never get down to it and poor industrials will keep suffering forever.

although this may be a good thing - abominable industrial clickfest drives more people from this side of the game thus keeping profits high.