EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Once upon a time it was about the nerdy looking kid either not getting picked for the sports team or being picked last with resentment from the team captain. Thats now the opposite here :)

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You disagree with me yet you confirm what i posted.
30days of training 1 skill to level 5 is a very long time and is like you said very important.
Therefor you agree with me that skillpoints are very important in pvp, because you can not disagree with that you cant pvp with a logistics when your skill at level 2 or 3.

And yes you need to know what you are doing only thats normal.
In pvp situations like in the tounament you have teams who practice on live servers so they know what to do.
Its the same thing with gear/skill in other mmo's, sure your gear can be superior but if you fail you lose anyway.
However in high end gaming where mistakes are rare the gear in those games and in eve they are skillpoints are a very important part of the outcome of the fight.

But this discussion isnt about pvp in general its about the characters in the tournament.
It seems when ccp does a marketing event to send out a bunch of dev is premade characters they have no problems giving these characters all skills to 5.
However when it comes to a official tournament its to much effort for them to make premade characters.
That is probably the reason why there arent premade characters.

lvl 4's in all relevant skills is usually good enough to be competitive. You should worry more about having good real life skills, good fc's and good setups. I don't think I've ever seen a match decided by skillpoints unless it was because the losing team had so few skillpoints that they brought a random selection of ships which happened to be the only ones they could fly.

ok how new are you talking when you say a newer player cause in a year a player who focuses mainly on pvp skills can be flying tech 1 battleships with tech2 mods fitted now if your talking about a player thats under a year old lets say a character thats only a few months and they want to join the tournament and ccp magicaly gives them lvl 5 skills in all their combat skills for the tournament to put them on equal footing with older players its still not going to help them since they will end up getting smashed by the older more experianced players .

I think you missing whole point of AT and see it as just face-to-face fight. But actually it's:

1) Years of getting decent piloting skills in conventional PvP
2) Years of getting decent character skills for AT, which do not always coincide with you want to train, especially if you're some random carebear or yet another guy who trains every ship up to 3 (when you can spend just 6 months into single frigate specialization and be on par with older players)
3) Some fat ISK supply for getting place in AT via auction and buy all the ships and implants
4) Hundreds of manhours spent on theorycrafting
5) Several months of pre-AT training, where more than 10 ppl are involved - your mates vs whom you train, logistics, and so on
6) Really saturated metagame, which could've started years ago

The point is, you take any of these out - you're severely undermining team's performance. And the fact that you're biatching about characters just makes me think that you have everything else (and probably just don't want to show your mains).

If you'll go on with whining - then be consistent wrt to all points in the list, not just one. Otherwise it looks ridiculous.

I did not make it through this entire thread but most tournament teams that really take the tournament seriously spend months getting Ship Setups and tactics theory crafted and tested. I was going to post the link to the PL Tournament Forum Dump but it appears that due to the TEST alliance bropact it may have been ~lost~ or dehosted.

Basically what i wanted to show you was some of the different bomber setups that PL had posted which have made appearances in the past 4 alliance tournaments. To have a maxed skilled bomber pilot takes very little time to train and it is an extremely effective set up. Or really any character trained specifically trained for a certain class of ship. Sabres/dramiels/daredevils/EAFS/bombers are all examples of ships that can very easily be gotten into and maxed out skill point wise. Or another example is the rupture/thorax/caracal setups, all tech1 ships that are a viable setup. The point is you dont HAVE to be max skilled for everything to be effective but rather train an alt to specifically fly a certain ship that you will be using

But what you also have to look at is winning the alliance tournament can fund an alliance with ISK for a good deal of time due to the value of the ships they receive so you have bigger alliances that will actually dump billions of isk into buying specifically trained characters to fly the ship setups they need, top tier hardwirings and implants etc

To answer your question bluntly, Yes. Older players have a certain advantage when it comes to the AT due to (but not always) having a large ISK pool to pull from and most of the time older players already have multiple characters to choose from like myself, i personally have 6-7 accounts and between those accounts i can fly every ship in the game of which most of the subcaps are max skilled

I urge you to go to youtube and watch the PL/Hydra/Kadeshi/-A-/Star Fraction, Star Fraction especially i believed used bombers a lot and just look at the different set ups you will notice key ships in most setups are your command ships but other then that most of the ships can easily be specially trained into by a dedicated alt

AT is a few months away I cant wait to see the different teams/setups this yea

What Laz said is accurate. The tournament has a lot of smaller ships involved. Ships that do not require a lot of training to max skill. At that point, it is no longer who has more SP (as there are only so many skills you can train for a t1 frigate, for instance), and it becomes who has more skill at flying the ship.

TBH even if it is as the OP believes and SP is the be all end all of the alliance tournament and its the only reason hes not there and winning he misses out the fact that acquiring the character for the alliance tournament would be the easiest part.

Learning the game well enough to participate takes at least 12 months, probably more. You can easily get relevant skills in that time.

The time spent practising is easily enough to earn the 10bn you need to buy a good character on the forums.

The efforts in spying on the other teams could easily get you the ISK if you just turned you attention to a corp theft, a 20bn corp theft is relatively minor these days.


If you can honestly say you are ready for the alliance tournament (and actually do well in it) as a person then you should have either the time or ISK to get a suitable character ten times over. Otherwise you are just lying to yourself.

It helps to have level 5 characters, but it isnt necessary.

I was the captain/alliance founder of the Kadeshi team on their first run in the alliance tournament. I didn't participate in any of their later runs, so I cant attest for what happened then. If you look our ships up, we did have some very well skilled players, but we also had players with terrible skills who couldn't even fit t2. One of our pilots had been playing the game 2 months and we basically told him to fly around and do whatever he could to help, and gave him a ship great at being a decoy.

We came very close to winning in the one match that we went out against PL. One thing that people didn't see as well as we did while spectating was that even with full reppers going on it, we were able to put their guardian at about 10% armor, and when a team like that loses its guardian it quickly disintegrates. I realized almost immediately after the fight that our team could of all MWD rushed any ship in their cap circle and knocked it out of range, which could of easily helped turned that fight into a different direction.

We flew an unconventional team for that tournament which was very forgiving on fittings and skill points, and were able to make a great show and run a lot deeper than anyone predicted. While we didn't win, we did good enough to show that I think its possible for another lower skillpoint team to do the job. Either way, it was definitely one of the funner experiences I've ever had in the game of eve, and if you think you got a group of about 12~ people that know how to fly their ships, you should think about giving it a try.

Ok lets go on with this awfull comparison of baseball and this game.
A low sp team vs a high sp team would be like a baseball team using plastic bats vs a other team using steel or wooden bats.