Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For the love of god let us tractor yellow wrecks even if it gives aggression. This is a complete joke and detracts away from the PVP game EVE is.

Make Yellow wrecks tractorable.

Ill aggree to player flagging.

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hell no

For a few reasons.

1) If someone wants to steal your loot/salvage it shouldn't be as easy as warp, tractor, take.

2) Everyone that flies missions generally knows not to shoot at the guy stealing your crap cause he's probably got a damn nice pvp ship sitting at station just waiting for you to shoot him, and that's if he's not in a fleet that is sitting there waiting for you to attack their fleet member.

3) If you allow players to tractor yellow wrecks, than tractoring becomes an aspect of eve that would need to be balanced the same way other aspects of pvp are balanced.
So the noctis would have to be removed from game, or it would lose its bonus towards tractors. Marauders would need to be balanced and have their tractor capability reduced to standard range as well.
Every ship in game that is used in pve of any type would need to be rebalanced to allow an extra high slot or extra damage so that one of their weapons can be removed to allow them to fit a tractor and salvager so that they can compete with other ships.

Every ship in eve would need to be rebalanced to allow for tractor and salvage so that everyone has the same general opportunity to compete at it.

Also, stealing isn't legal... You can salvage my wreck for free with no aggro. However, if you want it you should have to go to it...

Wait, so you're saying that if I shoot someone in your fleet that your fleet won't have aggro on me??? Cause i'm pretty sure that it does work that way...



Your assumption here is that ships are capable of performing competent pvp with a pve fit... so if this is the case than why the hell can a pvp fit stop the crap out of a pve fit?




Uhh...What?!?!? Look, the reason why the noctis is so powerful with tractors is because it is in an aspect of gameplay that does not effect other players. Tractoring is 100% a pve mechanic. No one person can interfer with another in this aspect unless they initiate in another aspect such as attempting to salvage their wreck, shooting them, or some other means that would then take this into another realm entirely...
The noctis has an 80 km tractor range, and with t2 tractors you can now get up to 96km.. hell, i trained it to lvl 4 and have 81km. So, in order to balance things and allow tractoring to be a competitive pvp aspect of eve, then you must nerf the noctis in order to put more competition into it.

Not to mention, the rules behind competitive tractoring would be very complicated.

1) If two ships show up and try to tractor the same wreck at the same time, who gets it?
2) If one of the ships is the wrecks original owner, does he take presidence?
3) If you're tractoring a wreck and the original owner comes in and attempts to tractor the wreck from you, can he since it's his?
4) If you already have your salvagers turned on the wreck, can someone else tractor it away from you if your tractor isn't on?
5) If in the case of number 1, would the winner of the tractor be the one with the t2 tractors, or if both ships don't or do have t2 tractors, then is it based off the skill with the ship? Would another skill need to be added such as tractor supperiority?
If that skill is added and both players have the same related skills, then who gets to tractor the wreck.


Look, tractoring isn't like any other aspect of the game. You and another player can shoot the same target, you can mine the same target, you can warp to the same place, you can bump each other around, you can race each other to a yellow wreck, you can out class him on salvaging a wreck through skills t2 salvagers, but even if you're evenly matched, there is a bit of luck and lag in who pulls the salvage first.
Tractors are completely different. You're actually effecting the target by bringing it to you which gives you a distinct advantage over anyone else.

Also, salvaging someone else's wrecks isn't illegal. The game allows you to freely take their salvage with no reprecussions (even though it's still stealing). So, why are you trying to make something easier that is already easy? If you really wanna tractor a wreck, then just ask the owner if he wouldn't mind abandoning them. if he says no, well guess what...There's only one thing he can do to stop you from salvaging them and that is blow them up.... Which is a losing situation for everyone.

So suck it up, fit a microwarp on a destroyer with 8 salvagers, and fly to the damn wreck....

Your laziness to kill and farm your own wrecks shouldn't be placed on the backs of those who earn them. So if you want it, go and get it...

Dude, if you are in a fleet, and someone shoots someone else in your fleet, your fleet will have aggro ont hat person. Just the same, if someone is in your fleet, and someone steals from a wreck or container of someone belonging to your fleet, then you fleet gets aggro on them.. Now, if you aggro me and engage me, I only have aggro on you, and my fleet has aggro on you, but my fleet would not have aggro on anyone else in your fleet until those people come in an actively engage us. So yes, if I attack you, or aggro you in any way, then I have also aggroed your fleet, but I don not have aggro on your fleet.
Make sense??



lol, funny how you seem to think i'm clueless yet you have no understanding of how fleet aggro works.

Further more, you also seem to have no understanding of the fact that tractoring is a purely pve mechanic.(I.E. you do not compete with others in order to do so.)

You also don't seem to understand the fact that balancing tractors MUST happen in order to allow competitive tractoring.
You seem to miss the fact that tractoring is unlike anything else in eve and would be complicated to set rules for.

The biggest thing that you seem to miss is the fact that you are free to salvage wrecks without aggro, and if you want to loot the wrecks, you can, but you'll be aggroed.

So again, fit a good ship with salvagers and a microwarp, and guess what....YOU GET TO SALVAGE....HURRAY!!!!.

You don't need to be able to tractor to accomplish what you're looking for. You just seem to think that CCP should baby those players that can't create their own wrecks.

HELLBOUNDMAN
AWESOM-O 4000 Robotics

''Fleet Agro''


What a bear and what a noob.

No, it really doesn't work like that.
Read: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Criminal_Flagging_System#Fleet_aggression



It doesn't have to be. How about:

A single T1 tractor has 1 tractor point.
A single T2 tractor has 2 tractor points.
Whoever applies the most tractor points, wins.
Equal tractor points results in a stalemate and the wreck stays put.
If the wreck is yellow to you, you would be criminally flagged just as you would if you took from it.



indeed! Salvaging in low/null sec for those juicy T2 wrecks on gates and in belts requires you to be quick - get in, salvage, get out before hostiles show up. Being able to tractor them would help immensely!

What you have quoted refers directly to a single fleet and members in that fleet...


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Ninja_Salvaging_and_Stealing

However, this doesn't break it down completely.

You steal from me, my corp will receive an aggression counter on you (unless i'm in an npc corp)
If anyone in my corp engages you, you and your corp will receive an INDIVIDUAL aggression counter on that one person.
If anyone in your corp besides you engages that person, then my corp also picks up aggression on him... Anyone in my corp who engages anyone in your corp who we have aggression on will be flagged for your corp.

So yes, it does work like that.... I've done it, and I've had it done to me..

lol

Oh what a sad panda...

CCP runs a business... The point of the business is to make money.

If they were to operate their business the way you suggest, then they would be out of business.

There are probably just as many carebears out there as pvp'ers/ low, null, and wh thrivers...

So you suggest to CCP to make changes to cut out at least half of their income so that you can better enjoy the game by allowing you to have and imbalance so that you can be lazy???

lol, good luck with that.

Yup, and then we'll see which one has a stronger player base.

Ill give you a hint.
it wont be the pvp server