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met worst
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-26 03:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: met worst
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM

Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.


Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.

Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.

IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.

CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.

WE DO NOT want a repeat.

CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.


>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-01-26 03:24:30 UTC
met worst wrote:
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM

Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.


Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.

Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.

IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.

CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.

WE DO NOT want a repeat.

CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.


>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM


I disagree with you. Lol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Black Dranzer
#3 - 2012-01-26 03:34:18 UTC
My only objection with the CSM is that it's something I doubt half the playerbase even knows about. Their presence should be known to the general public of Eve. There should be voting interfaces build into the client.

But then, I come from Australia, where everybody votes because it's compulsory, so maybe my world view is warped.

Still, the CSM appear to have done decent work. I'm more confident about the direction of the game now than when the current CSM came into office, which is about all you can really hope for.

Walking in Stations as a Social Hub: Business vs Pleasure in Incarna
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-26 03:37:44 UTC
The existence of this thread and other threads like it justifies every effort Goonswarm has ever made to rule the CSM.
Ai Shun
#5 - 2012-01-26 03:41:30 UTC
met worst wrote:
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM

Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.


Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.

Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.

IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.

CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.

WE DO NOT want a repeat.

CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.


>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM


I disagree; especially after reading the Minutes of the meeting between the CSM and CCP. I would suggest you use the democratic power you have available to you for the next election.
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-01-26 03:44:32 UTC
Quote:
Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the Majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.


Okay, so let me get this straight.

CCP have implemented a system where all of EVE's player base can vote for their favored candidates.

The candidates who get the most votes win.

Therefore, the more a candidate gets voted for by the playerbase, the more likely they are to be elected.

And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase?

Please explain to me logically and with words how this isn't representative of the playerbase.
Black Dranzer
#7 - 2012-01-26 03:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Dranzer
Roosterton wrote:
And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase?

The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist.

Walking in Stations as a Social Hub: Business vs Pleasure in Incarna
Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
#8 - 2012-01-26 03:48:53 UTC
the CSM WAS created to represent the playerbase, as a sort of direct representives to CCP, as opposed to nothing.
without the CSM its unlikely for CCP to hear the complaints more efficently and effectively, albiet this sort of system benefits wow more than it does eve, considering the millions who supposedly play the game, direct representation is hard to do in practice.

CCP doesn't always listen to everyone as a community do to resource issues and CSM helps to give CCP priority.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#9 - 2012-01-26 03:50:32 UTC
Not this crap again.

Are you also still convinced CCP employees are doing RMT?



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-26 03:57:39 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Not this crap again.

Are you also still convinced CCP employees are doing RMT?






wait...

CCP technically does RMT, don't they... Shocked

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#11 - 2012-01-26 04:02:58 UTC
Or, to make it more representative of the player base as a whole, ban all players in empire.
seany1212
M Y S T
#12 - 2012-01-26 04:07:14 UTC
OP is mad because Darius is partaking in some incursions, nothing more, nothing less Lol. Darius is a player after all, and is entitled to play the game he wishes to play it, this clearly grates against the OP as if Darius was not CSM after being a player there would be no post wishing to kill the CSM, if anything that sounds like RL threats Roll
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-01-26 04:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Black Dranzer wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase?

The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist.


How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2012-01-26 04:30:52 UTC
met worst wrote:

Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.

Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.

IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.


1) Tell me a method of popular representation better than democracy. Please.

2) Tell me a method of determining the will of the majority better than democracy (in which the majority is represented). Please.

3a) CCP's misrepresenting the CSM's views was one of the reasons the Jita riots started.

b) How does the CSM bring the game into disrepute? What specifically have they done wrong in their roles as CSM?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ai Shun
#15 - 2012-01-26 04:32:13 UTC
Black Dranzer wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
And you're claiming that this isn't in the interests of the majority of the playerbase?

The problem is the assumption that the majority of the playerbase knows or understands who the CSM are or what they do. I'm not sure that it's safe to make that assumption. I'm not saying the CSM are bad, but the statement that they don't represent the majority of the playerbase is probably accurate if only because the majority of the playerbase probably don't even know they exist.


It would be fairly difficult for any player to not be aware of the CSM.

They would almost deliberately have to not research the game before purchasing, never read about it, never follow the forums, the fansites, the Facebook / twitter machine, avoid all chat channels in-game and not login during the months leading up to the election and the month or so after the election.

Oh, and not be subscribed to the newsletter.

If they manage all of that (And God help them, I'm sure there will be many) then really, should they be voting when they know **** all about EVE Online?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-01-26 04:33:47 UTC
it's funny cuz his avatar looks like a big baby
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#17 - 2012-01-26 04:44:43 UTC
Roosterton wrote:


How don't the majority of the playerbase know they exist? Every election it seems like there's a billion banners saying "make yourself heard in the CSM election!" and "take a moment to cast your vote" on the login screen. If you don't vote in the CSM election, it's either your fault for being ignorant to all of it, or you're just content with things how they are and don't care to vote. Either way; the majority of the playerbase which actually gives a damn is represented.


I have to agree. The news about the up-coming elections for the CSM has always been announced and posted like a sell-out celebrity's face on a box of Wheaties. It's very difficult for players to ignore. It even shows up on the login screen (which is a very effective reminder).

Therefore, the only players that don't know about the CSM are ones that have recently joined and have missed out on the elections because of it.

Adapt or Die
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#18 - 2012-01-26 04:50:50 UTC
Black Dranzer wrote:
My only objection with the CSM is that it's something I doubt half the playerbase even knows about. Their presence should be known to the general public of Eve. There should be voting interfaces build into the client.

But then, I come from Australia, where everybody votes because it's compulsory, so maybe my world view is warped.

Still, the CSM appear to have done decent work. I'm more confident about the direction of the game now than when the current CSM came into office, which is about all you can really hope for.


The player base knows about the CSM.

They just don't care about the CSM.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
stoicfaux
#19 - 2012-01-26 04:52:45 UTC
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=886
Quote:
There were 49,096 votes cast by eligible voters (i.e. older than 30 days and thus able to vote), amassing a turnout of 14.25% - once again a record turnout. Of the total votes cast, 659 voters (1.34%) chose to abstain. This abstain % is far lower than previous elections, indicating that players had a better idea of who they wished to vote for compared to previous elections.


14.25% turnout. The winners received a total 27,580 votes, which means only 56.2% of 14.25% voted for them. Ergo, the CSM represents 8% of the player base.

*shrug*

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#20 - 2012-01-26 05:02:27 UTC
met worst wrote:
>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM

Dump them. Sack them. Kiss 'em off.


Find a method that represents ALL players and let's not have another year of self-congratulatory BS served in ego-wrap.

Follow the path taken with Crucible, listen to the majority when they speak (i.e. Jita Riots) and refuse to acknowledge the self-servers who claimed credit for what YOU, CCP, ultimately did.

IGNORE the morons that did everything they could to BRING THE GAME INTO DISREPUTE with public "foot stamping" - the same people that pushed for game changes for the betterment of their own alliances. A MINORITY of EVE.

CSM 6 is corrupt, biased and downright dangerous for THE GAME.

WE DO NOT want a repeat.

CONSIDER random surveys from random players ad hoc to draw opinions/direction.


>> SAVE THE GAME - KILL THE CSM

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