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Interesting conclussion #1:

As CSM got 10,000 vots more than CSM 6, and of those 10,000, 8,500 are rigged alt votes, this means that there's 1,500 actually "new" voters.

Then, the "new bloc" candidates, Issler and Hans, gathered some 4,000 votes.

Dunno how many votes for Issler and Hans are "reallocated" votes, but provided how have risen the numbers for non-bloc candidates, and how some candidates have lost a helluva votes (Seleene lost 1,000 votes himself alone), I guesstimate that CSM 7 would had lost votes compared to CSM6 if weren't for the new bloc candidates and the rigging bloc alts

Think of it. 10,000 new votes, 8,500 are rigged ones, and candidates aimed to people who never voted before got as much as 4,000 votes themselves.

Smells of FAIL.

Hi Issler
Congratulations! I'm glad to hear that you made the CSM. Now that you're on the CSM, for us who mine, will you be making proposals to make mining less tedious and more fun? Also, will you be drafting any plans to give miners more tools to deal with griefers (wannabe PvPers who like to prey on industrial ships in low/null sec areas)? I think that there should be some new kind of module or ship type that would make it much harder to take down industrials. The only mechanic in the game right now for those players is to simply log out if someone show sup on screen.
Some of my ideas to help cut down on ganking (esp in WH areas) would be to have an active radar system rather than the overview that must be clicked continually. It would work just like a real radar with blips illuminating objects that appear in scanner range and when you hover over them, a popup balloon would say what each of those objects are (They could even use different colors/shapes to symbolize what each object means). I think that this would be a bit better than the current D-scan system.

Wait what? While I suspect you may be at least partially correct here. From where are you drawing the conclusion there where 8500 "rigged" alt votes?

And how do you define "rigged"? As far as I know we are allowed to vote freely on all qualifying accounts, what makes a vote rigged?

Voting for people she doesn't like is "rigging" an election.

I just noticed that number in the official results tally, figured that was what you where referring to.

Okay, I am sure that some of the 8500 where alts specifically created to vote. I admit to using that to justify creating a couple of new accounts myself (went Hans not Mittani, although I created them to vote for myself way back then).

I don't think just discounting all votes from anyone under 250 days of age is realistic though. It is an interesting statistic and I am sure you are at least partially correct here.

Oh and FYI Seleene lost votes most likely due to not having a block behind him. He got reelected pretty much solely on his performance, for which he deserves a lot of credit.

If you guys expended as much energy on campaigning for Issler as you do coming up with conspiracy theories she might have gotten further than one of the second-class citizen CSM seats.

Again we return to this.

This argument was made last year and dismissed by ccp as misunderstanding the data.
To put it simply the age range of the characters is from when they bought into the game. Its not goons creating thousands of alts, its actual players, some of them goons, voting for the mittani.

Also I find the way you put you complaint to be highly insulting. The tone of you post made it appear as though we should simply ignore the wishes of 8500 people. And further to that, that newer players shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I would also like to point out that Test are culutrally similar to goonswarm. Why is their candidate an alternate if they could have simply "rigged" the system?



In short I respect your right to an opinion, but find your actual views highly moronic.

Well, I won't be suffering. Cause Mintanni has really god ideas on making mining interesting. I look forward to being a juicy target for blues and Raiden. alike!

You honestly can't believe that someone would voluntarily vote for the Mittani who wasn't a Goon? My industrialist/marketeering friend spent all three account's worth of votes on him because, as he put it, everyone else was pretty much **** or didn't really think about the game in the same way he did. I would have voted for Mittani if Hans hadn't been running; would have been two more independent votes for him.

Face it: The CSM is largely a sounding board for CCP, it doesn't exist to push through your particular "vision" for the game, although I imagine it could be used by CCP to sort of gauge the current priorities of the player base: a vote for Mittani indicates the playerbase would appreciate more null-sec spaceship jackassery.

In the end, to progress this game, null-sec needs some love. **** happening in null means that internet spaceship drama is happening which makes people interested in the game. No one gives a **** about small guys like me and our tiny victories and losses. No one cares about missioners or miners. Null-sec and sovereignty drives the game. This is why a vote for Issler was a wasted vote.