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Issler Dainze for CSM7! Hear the bears roar!

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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy
Caldari State
#821 - 2012-03-20 01:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Barnabas O'Malley
Issler Dainze wrote:
This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that. Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
There you go again.

Seriously though, at this point you're just being dishonest. Drop this charade of the upstanding high sec industrialist giving a voice to miners everywhere.

The mineral market has been ruined by RMT. Prices got so bad I sold my mining toon and pursued other things. This CSM convinced CCP to do something about it. I think I will make some catalyst alts.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#822 - 2012-03-20 01:09:30 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.

Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?

If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?


Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest....

Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate!

By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#823 - 2012-03-20 01:13:24 UTC
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that. Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?
There you go again.

Seriously though, at this point you're just being dishonest. Drop this charade of the upstanding high sec industrialist giving a voice to miners everywhere.

The mineral market has been ruined by RMT. Prices got so bad I sold my mining toon and pursued other things. I think I will make some catalyst alts.


OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.

I am definitely against RMT.

Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.

If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.

The troll is strong in this one.....

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#824 - 2012-03-20 01:15:13 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.

Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?

If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?


Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest....

Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate!

By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#825 - 2012-03-20 01:22:07 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.

Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?

If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?


Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest....

Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate!

By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else.


Issler is the Michelle Bachmann of the CSM7 elections. Quotes false stuff and stubbornly refuses to accept logic. It's hopeless, Johnny. Lol

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy
Caldari State
#826 - 2012-03-20 01:28:12 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.

I am definitely against RMT.

Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.

If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.

The troll is strong in this one.....

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


I didn't lie. I said I was a miner. The main reason I sold my mining toon is because there was no money in it. Because the mineral market was destroyed. And Mittens and co convinced CCP to make changes in the drone regions so mineral prices would be more attractive to miners. You have deliberately ignored this fact in post after post.

I've been in a number of corps as a casual player. I've done many activities at various points during my time in eve. And at no point did I consider voting for you. I started posting in response to your question about why empire dwellers voted for Mittens. Then I decided to post in this thread when it was clear you weren't trying to get real information from your other thread. You've just been parroting the same thing people have shot down again and again at this point - that the current CSM has done nothing for mining which is a lie.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#827 - 2012-03-20 01:35:20 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

This isn't about me, its about the message and the goons and friends never seem to want to talk about that.

Mining has been ignored. More folks mine than any other activity. Isn't it time the miners of Eve got some love from CCP?

If you want to talk about that we can have a conversation.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Okay, let's leave "goons and friends" out of this for a moment. Why would a miner vote for you instead of, say, Seleene?


Because a miner might ask why I should vote for a character that made no claim to improve mining if elected to the CSM 7 and has time in previous CSMs to try and improve mining and never seemed to have shown any interest....

Just saying, but that is an excellent question, thanks for making this a more useful debate!

By the way, as posted in another thread when the election began, Seleene was one of the previous CSM I'd support for reelection.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Seleene has advocated a full blown industrial expansion in his thread. The current CSM has advocated strongly for a drone mineral nerf. Drone region minerals probably damage the mineral market more than just about anything else.


Issler is the Michelle Bachmann of the CSM7 elections. Quotes false stuff and stubbornly refuses to accept logic. It's hopeless, Johnny. Lol


A blitzner again!

An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.

I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.

By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.

I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.

Issler Dainze
100% Honest to the Pilots of Eve
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#828 - 2012-03-20 02:06:12 UTC
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

OK, please point to a single thing I'd said that is a lie.

I am definitely against RMT.

Oh, you sold your mining character so you were the one that lied when you claimed to be a miner that I seek to support.

If you really want to experience Eve how about leaving your NPC corp and actually play the game.

The troll is strong in this one.....

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


I didn't lie. I said I was a miner. The main reason I sold my mining toon is because there was no money in it. Because the mineral market was destroyed. And Mittens and co convinced CCP to make changes in the drone regions so mineral prices would be more attractive to miners. You have deliberately ignored this fact in post after post.

I've been in a number of corps as a casual player. I've done many activities at various points during my time in eve. And at no point did I consider voting for you. I started posting in response to your question about why empire dwellers voted for Mittens. Then I decided to post in this thread when it was clear you weren't trying to get real information from your other thread. You've just been parroting the same thing people have shot down again and again at this point - that the current CSM has done nothing for mining which is a lie.


If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs.

So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons?

If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for.

So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp!

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#829 - 2012-03-20 02:12:33 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

A blitzner again!

An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.

I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.

By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.

I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.

Issler Dainze
100% Honest to the Pilots of Eve
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Hans and Seleene are friends, actually.

So you want to change the actual mechanic for mining, making it more engaging as opposed to making mining more profitable? Cool, Hans has talked about this as well. There has been quite a bit of discussion in his campaign thread and on his blog about iterating on the actual mining mechanic to make it more engaging for players, and a lot of cool ideas have been proposed by him and those participating in the discussion.

Have any ideas on how to improve the "fun/hour" ? Or is this another case of "I'll do what the community tells me to do!" and you don't have any ideas yourself.

BTW, having your own ideas doesn't make you a self-serving individual with an agenda to push. It gives people a basis on which to judge the merit of your intelligence and creativity. You're right, having your own ideas doesn't mean that CCP will use them, but what it does mean is that when CCP gives the CSM a list of ideas protected by NDA, we voters will have some idea of how our CSM rep. might react. (I.E. if they have had their own good ideas, maybe they will recognize CCP's good ideas and push for those, or perhaps they will recognize if one of CCP's ideas is total ****, etc.)

Cool

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#830 - 2012-03-20 02:13:29 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am definitely against RMT.

funny how you said that the only people who are against RMT are those without the $$$ (and certainly not CCP who probably doesn't like the higher operating costs from all the 23.5/7 bots) and how there's no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to sell off your assets for real money

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy
Caldari State
#831 - 2012-03-20 03:03:31 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs.
You need to read my earlier posts more closely. You ignored what I actually wrote. Go re-read some of my posts and if you have a problem quote them here.

Also, why did you not mention this in your initial platform and instead focus on an arbitrary change in mining mechanics which is to have more "fun per hour" instead of the far more populist issue with mineral prices?

Issler Dainze wrote:
So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons?
This character is my main. I find it odd you didn't bring this up when I first posted in your other thread.

Issler Dainze wrote:
If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for.
It's not a question of how you responded. It's the fact that you kept parroting false talking points which said that the CSM nothing to address problems with mining and the like. My first post was a direct response to your question in your other thread.

It's not "blindly" discrediting something if I've read your vague platform and then weighed it against my own experiences ingame and arguments from other members of the eve community.

Issler Dainze wrote:
So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp!
If the mineral market is bad, it doesn't matter how good your corp is. The hit you take to your isk/hour is unacceptable either way. And speaking from experience as a miner, most miners mine for isk. "FUN PER HOUR" and isk per hour are one and the same.

Again you really need to read my posts more closely. How can I post with a "main" that I sold? You even quoted the fact that I sold it and now you want me to post on it.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#832 - 2012-03-20 06:07:48 UTC
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
If you think the idea of finally getting around to nerfing the drone drops was just mittens you have been living in a hole. This has been discussed and actively suggested to CCP way before the CSM 6. What I do remember the CSM 6 bringing up as their own idea was nerfing ore in WHs.
You need to read my earlier posts more closely. You ignored what I actually wrote. Go re-read some of my posts and if you have a problem quote them here.

Also, why did you not mention this in your initial platform and instead focus on an arbitrary change in mining mechanics which is to have more "fun per hour" instead of the far more populist issue with mineral prices?

Issler Dainze wrote:
So is this character an alt? Why wouldn't you post with your main? Would your main be in the goons?
This character is my main. I find it odd you didn't bring this up when I first posted in your other thread.

Issler Dainze wrote:
If I didn't respond to you in a manner that you liked its because seemed pretty clear you weren't what you represented yourself to be. You post with an alt and make claims that were not intended to start a reasonable discourse. You just wanted to blindly discredit without taking the time to build a reasoned case and do your homework about what I stand for.
It's not a question of how you responded. It's the fact that you kept parroting false talking points which said that the CSM nothing to address problems with mining and the like. My first post was a direct response to your question in your other thread.

It's not "blindly" discrediting something if I've read your vague platform and then weighed it against my own experiences ingame and arguments from other members of the eve community.

Issler Dainze wrote:
So how about posting your next reply with that main that owned the hulk you claimed was no longer worth your time to fly. By the way all my corp members are still mining and although they support making mining better seem to be able to make a decent living even with the depressed mineral prices. Maybe you were never in a decent mining corp!
If the mineral market is bad, it doesn't matter how good your corp is. The hit you take to your isk/hour is unacceptable either way. And speaking from experience as a miner, most miners mine for isk. "FUN PER HOUR" and isk per hour are one and the same.

Again you really need to read my posts more closely. How can I post with a "main" that I sold? You even quoted the fact that I sold it and now you want me to post on it.


Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.

So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.

You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.

Issler Dainze
The miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#833 - 2012-03-20 06:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

A blitzner again!

An industrial expansion that doesn't actually expand the current mining experience. Maybe more isk/hr, but no more fun/hr when mining. And you can't refute the comment about lack of interest while in previous CSMs. And I said I supports Seleene's election. I was asked why someone might vote for me instead and I answered the question.

I'll say this one more time..... when I talk about improving mining in Eve.... I mean the FUN PER HOUR as well as the income. No other candidate has expressed interest in that.

By the way, Hans is in no way a supporter of Seleene.

I may not win but the one thing I've done this election is not attack the other candidate and have been 100% honest even if I didn't think it was in my best interest in terms off total vote count.

Issler Dainze
100% Honest to the Pilots of Eve
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


Hans and Seleene are friends, actually.

So you want to change the actual mechanic for mining, making it more engaging as opposed to making mining more profitable? Cool, Hans has talked about this as well. There has been quite a bit of discussion in his campaign thread and on his blog about iterating on the actual mining mechanic to make it more engaging for players, and a lot of cool ideas have been proposed by him and those participating in the discussion.

Have any ideas on how to improve the "fun/hour" ? Or is this another case of "I'll do what the community tells me to do!" and you don't have any ideas yourself.

BTW, having your own ideas doesn't make you a self-serving individual with an agenda to push. It gives people a basis on which to judge the merit of your intelligence and creativity. You're right, having your own ideas doesn't mean that CCP will use them, but what it does mean is that when CCP gives the CSM a list of ideas protected by NDA, we voters will have some idea of how our CSM rep. might react. (I.E. if they have had their own good ideas, maybe they will recognize CCP's good ideas and push for those, or perhaps they will recognize if one of CCP's ideas is total ****, etc.)

Cool


So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.

I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.

I have posted lots of suggestions including things like comets which you would know if did any research about my campaign.

My ideas aren't self serving because my ideas will be vetted in the public forums along with every other decent idea and ultimately chosen or filtered out before presented to CCP.

So keep on blitnering you blitzner! Your candidate is awesome I'm sure. Sadly he attracts fanboys that can't keep this election positive and about merit and feel the need to attack the other canidates.

If I am so horrible and my ideas and stands on issues in Eve why are you wasting your time posting here. My horrible anti-appeal as a candidate would have me fail on my own...... right?

Maybe I'm not so bad and you fear I might be connecting, otherwise why waste your time posting here?

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

PS.... for the Blitzers.. the eve mail from your hero..... an email I received prior to the election... bolded some of my favorite parts.. by the way, Hans seems like a decent candidate, but I am not going negative and I wish his supporters would have done the same.....

Hello Issler,

I invite you to check out the launch of my campaign in Jita Park. I am ineterested to hear what you think of my campaign and platform, take the time to review everything carefully.

I have been private about this, and not announced previously, because I needed all the commitments in place to know that I was secure as a front-runner in this race.

Unfortunately, due to the stakes of the election, while I sympathize with many of the party's values I do not believe it is possible to obtain mutiple seats when faced with an array of null blocs and incumbents. I cannot in good conscience support a "party strategy" with multiple candidates if I already believe it will not be enough to defeat the top 7. We need to pick one candidate for Empire against the 0.0 blocs, and run with them.

However, since you did promise to lend your support to the candidate with the best chance of winning, I invite you to review my campaign, and decide whether it is one you would consider supporting rather than running as a competitor and thinning down the crucial vote concentration we will need to defeat the incumbents and place a TRUE empire candidate (as supposed to Trebor, Seleene, etc, who all pander) in the top 7.

I will be asking Kelduum Revaan and the other "front runners" to consider the same - are you truly prepared? Do you have a voting core? If not, I'm afraid its too late. However, I hope you will find me quite passionate, rational, and most of all, driven to succeed and following a winning game plan.

Take your time, I know these are difficult decisions... but I'm hoping we can work together and have no hard feelings.

Best of luck whatever you decide,

o7
-Hans
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#834 - 2012-03-20 11:56:35 UTC
Severian Carnifex
#835 - 2012-03-20 12:04:27 UTC
Issler, we, miners, are crossing fingers for you.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#836 - 2012-03-20 15:44:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Issler Dainze wrote:

So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection.

I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.


I can take it from here, Vordak.

Issler, I don't know what to say. This is neither the first time you've misconstrued my campaign platform (due to not actually ever reading my campaign platform), nor the first time you've made a knee-jerk statement about me without doing your research. I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent.

Do yourself a favor and conduct yourself with a bit of grace during the final hours of the election here, I hate to see it end like this. Kindly remove any personal communications from public forums and show some respect for your fellow candidates that have worked hard this campaign season. There just isn't any good reason to be muck-raking in the eleventh hour, unless this is how you want your campaign to be remembered.

I thought we were having a friendly conversation last night, I'm really disappointed to log in this morning to such nonsense.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#837 - 2012-03-20 16:06:25 UTC
ahahahahaha issler, staring yet another humiliation in the face, goes full crazy

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#838 - 2012-03-20 16:07:12 UTC
can't wait for voting results to be released, they will be glorious

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#839 - 2012-03-20 16:44:32 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.


As you request, nicely front and center in his campaign:

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Joyitii wrote:
Mining thoughts....


Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS.

I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better.


Also has suggestions in his campaign platform of a similar nature. These comments are well over a month old.

As such all I see is a vain attempt to claim possesion or a monopoly on certain elements of gameplay or ideas in your campaign Issler.

I would have thought to maintain respect you would have researched these claims and not been so insular to believe your either the only candidate that has concerns about these views or that others might be incapable of seeing it as an issue.

It's left with a bad view of you personally. I had some aspect of respect previously and sympathy from certain trolling and threadnaughting behaviour to your campaign position due to the Goons. But now you seem to have resorted to similar unfounded tactics in what I believe now is to try a poistion yourself at the 11th hour as the singular goto candidate on mining or industrial work, presumably to scoop up any last votes associated with that area.

I would have thought it more important to keep your respect and try to work with other candidates at this point in the election campaign as you may end up having to work as a colleague on the CSM if succesfull with certain individuals?

I and my alts have already voted and they include some aspect of industrial work including some portion of mining but isn't the main focus. But they did not vote for you and I'm glad now, as your tolerances for others or the blinkered crusade you have adopted has done nothing for me but to see you as an slightly irrational pilot with a zealous focus to one area that may jeapordise an ability to see other issues as a result.

All the best for the campaign still but you might just have lost any CSM 8 credibility with me as a result also.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#840 - 2012-03-20 18:19:18 UTC
[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Issler Dainze
So before the election stared I was eve mailed by Hans to ask me not to run and support him instead, He described Seleene as a pandering and not worthy of reelection

I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.[/quote

I can take it from here, Vordak

Issler, I don't know what to say. This is neither the first time you've misconstrued my campaign platform (due to not actually ever reading my campaign platform), nor the first time you've made a knee-jerk statement about me without doing your research. [i] I have great respect for Seleene and Trebor both, they've worked hard during their terms as CSM6 members and are both worthy of re-election. Votes for either of them would be very well-spent. [/i

Do yourself a favor and conduct yourself with a bit of grace during the final hours of the election here, I hate to see it end like this. Kindly remove any personal communications from public forums and show some respect for your fellow candidates that have worked hard this campaign season. There just isn't any good reason to be muck-raking in the eleventh hour, unless this is how you want your campaign to be remembered

I thought we were having a friendly conversation last night, I'm really disappointed to log in this morning to such nonsense.[/quote

How is it nonsense. I stand by anything I eve mail and I can see what your motivation was to narrow the field. There is nothing particularly bad in your email but it does refute clearly that you would support Seleene as a mining candidate counter to the claim of your supporter

I have not posted in any other campaign thread anything but support for the candidates I hope to work besides and none of my supporters are in your thread raking the muck, sadly, you can't say the same. I've kept this positive and civil and I'll stick by what I've posted

Issler Dainz
The Miner's Frien
CSM 7 Candidate