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Why complain about PvP?
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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-01-25 21:15:31 UTC
because it is MORE scam DOCK and hero than anything else.

MINING is pve, moon fighting is partly pvp.

there is no challenge in buying ammo. You don't compete with anyone.

Selling ammo is not PvP, it is market mechanics. Lowest buy order goes first, you don't compete in quality.

There is nothing to comprehend. A Toad is a toad. Don't look for superficial in it.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Lexmana
#62 - 2012-01-25 22:15:31 UTC
Opertone wrote:
because it is MORE scam DOCK and hero than anything else.

MINING is pve, moon fighting is partly pvp.

there is no challenge in buying ammo. You don't compete with anyone.

Selling ammo is not PvP, it is market mechanics. Lowest buy order goes first, you don't compete in quality.

There is nothing to comprehend. A Toad is a toad. Don't look for superficial in it.


You don't get it do you?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#63 - 2012-01-25 22:22:03 UTC
This crap again? You are all noobs. EVE is whatever you want it to be. Thing is, people often include your corpse in THEIR list of wants.
gfldex
#64 - 2012-01-25 22:26:19 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game?



You Sir are my new forum sig.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#65 - 2012-01-25 22:31:42 UTC
Opertone wrote:
because it is MORE scam DOCK and hero than anything else.

MINING is pve, moon fighting is partly pvp.

there is no challenge in buying ammo. You don't compete with anyone.

Selling ammo is not PvP, it is market mechanics. Lowest buy order goes first, you don't compete in quality.

There is nothing to comprehend. A Toad is a toad. Don't look for superficial in it.



Ever stepped out of the starter system? Doesn't sound like it. Who do you think you're competing against in the market, other players. Ergo the market is pvp.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-01-25 22:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
Serge Bastana wrote:
Ever stepped out of the starter system? Doesn't sound like it. Who do you think you're competing against in the market, other players. Ergo the market is pvp.


Players... and bots that can read numbers and undercut you by 0.01 isk.

Any activity that can be botted like that isn't really PvP imo, and yes trade can be botted.

By the way if anyone can write a bot that does DBRB fleets the entire CFC would literally give you all their real money for it.
Lexmana
#67 - 2012-01-25 22:37:48 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Serge Bastana wrote:
Ever stepped out of the starter system? Doesn't sound like it. Who do you think you're competing against in the market, other players. Ergo the market is pvp.


Players... and bots that can read numbers and undercut you by 0.01 isk.

Any activity that can be botted like that isn't really PvP imo, and yes trade can be botted.

By the way if anyone can write a bot that does DBRB fleets the entire CFC would literally give you all their real money for it.


If you think playing the market is the same as the .01 ISK game you have no clue. No clue at all.
gfldex
#68 - 2012-01-25 22:38:53 UTC
Ocih wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.


It used to be, know your history


Is it now?
Why?


It is not because changing some systems to highsec could be done in a few minutes. Fixing all the problems new players coming from bad game design would have required a few month work of capable programmers.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-01-25 22:42:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
Lexmana wrote:
If you think playing the market is the same as the .01 ISK game you have no clue. No clue at all.


Yeah on second thought you're right. To be fair there is more to it than that.
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-01-25 22:43:34 UTC
The combat tutorial still gives you a fast-track letter of recommendation to the local FW militia.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#71 - 2012-01-26 00:17:29 UTC
Opertone wrote:
because it is MORE scam DOCK and hero than anything else.

MINING is pve, moon fighting is partly pvp.

there is no challenge in buying ammo. You don't compete with anyone.

Selling ammo is not PvP, it is market mechanics. Lowest buy order goes first, you don't compete in quality.

There is nothing to comprehend. A Toad is a toad. Don't look for superficial in it.


You forgot griefer. Invalidate griefer PvP and 99% of the PvP in EVE is gone.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-01-26 00:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss.

Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.

This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat.

This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.


EVE is just one shard...

What it is its up to everyone.. now go away.. thanks.

I dont care what you think or what the next guy thinks... I play when i want and how i want.
You do the same. That is about that.

Also PvP for "purpose" is different to PvP for "nothing" .. If you cant see it, i am sorry.
Sure everyone can fabricate some stupid reason why do something .. and claim it got purpose, but it does not. And the one who made such claim knows it very well.. Not sure if he tries to lie to himself and in time actually believe in that garbage or just hinks that he is absolutely briliant thinker and no-body else can see through bullshit.

Either way its all bullshit.

To add
You want meaningless fights instant gratification go play counter strike. Cool

EVE is an game. Disputes about PvPs etc is meaningless ..

Honestly people spewing garbage with PvP , PvE should all go to WoW..

EVE is pollitics. Cool
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-01-26 01:14:44 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

EVE is just one shard...

What it is its up to everyone.. now go away.. thanks.

I dont care what you think or what the next guy thinks... I play when i want and how i want.
You do the same. That is about that.


Yeah, remember that epic cinematic Eve trailer CCP made about how some higsec mission runner who ran the same Angel Extravaganza mission 15 times in an officer fit Golem and made the numbers in his wallet go up? The dramatic ending where he whined in local about the ninja salvager steeling his salvage, and then shot the wrecks so he couldn't get the salvage.

IT WAS SO REAL! I WAS THERE!

Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

Also PvP for "purpose" is different to PvP for "nothing" .. If you cant see it, i am sorry.


Do you have sex for the purposes of procreation or do you have sex because you enjoy the act itself?

THAT'S RIGHT! I just compared PvP to sex. DEAL WITH IT NERDS!
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-01-26 01:40:23 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss.

Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.

This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat.

This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.


I'm glad you mentioned WoW...by your criteria, it is also a purely PvP game. How is this possible, you ask? Glad you inquired.

The only real thing that WoW doesn't have and Eve does is a player run market. Otherwise, you have resource competition, Mining and salvaging in Eve, mining, and herbing come to mind in WoW. You have Contracts in Eve, it's WoW parellel is the Auction house. You have competition in the industrial sector in EvE, mirrored by the blacksmithing, gemcrafting, and engineering sector in WoW, competing to make your stuffs for some money. Mission runners in EvE are actually in less competition than quest runners in WoW, in that area, WoW is more PvP. In fact, if you make a mistake while you are doing your questing, you might end up a victim of the opposing faction, and there is no CONCORD to save you or kill you there. Saw that happen in Firelands quite a bit actually.

I may have missed a couple of things, those are the examples that come to mind readily. So while Eve is more PvP friendly than WoW in execution, I don't even entertain the notion that Eve is more PvP than any other MMO out there. It just gets more of the market focus in that aspect of the game. Truthfully though, I like the Eve PvP mechanic more than the WoW PvP mechanic. Just feels more intuitive, and thus somewhat more developed.
"If."
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-01-26 01:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

EVE is just one shard...

What it is its up to everyone.. now go away.. thanks.

I dont care what you think or what the next guy thinks... I play when i want and how i want.
You do the same. That is about that.


Yeah, remember that epic cinematic Eve trailer CCP made about how some higsec mission runner who ran the same Angel Extravaganza mission 15 times in an officer fit Golem and made the numbers in his wallet go up? The dramatic ending where he whined in local about the ninja salvager steeling his salvage, and then shot the wrecks so he couldn't get the salvage.

IT WAS SO REAL! I WAS THERE!

Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:

Also PvP for "purpose" is different to PvP for "nothing" .. If you cant see it, i am sorry.


Do you have sex for the purposes of procreation or do you have sex because you enjoy the act itself?

THAT'S RIGHT! I just compared PvP to sex. DEAL WITH IT NERDS!


I dont do anything, my time is coming... I dont see purpose/meaning in any action, and i am probably more close to actuall reality than any of you ever be. Big smile

But yes high sec mission runners are indeed a bit on the over-reacting side... i give you that..
Altho i havent spoke to much, just saw reactions to ninja salvagers etc.. i used to abondon wrecks and place bm in an can which i abondoned afterwards somewhere at gate or station .. for whoever wants it to take it.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#76 - 2012-01-26 01:48:43 UTC
in the other thread people complain about item names and the neocom. Just let them complain about pvp, its the better topic compared to the other stuff you see ;)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-01-26 01:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Bienator II wrote:
in the other thread people complain about item names and the neocom. Just let them complain about pvp, its the better topic compared to the other stuff you see ;)


Big smile but been done thousand times already.
Astro Jones
AJ Corp
#78 - 2012-01-26 01:51:45 UTC
I do like parts of EVE but im not really into PVP. All I can say is that EVE has a tiny fraction of players compared to some other games and it's only a matter of time before they change the game to cater to people that do not want to PVP.

I'll use UO as a example, when UO started 15 years ago it took the game world by storm, then the thieves and reds griefed so many player's and so many people quit UO almost went under...so they changed the game and to this day UO has over 2 million active accounts. You can still PVP and it’s lots of fun but the truth is it’s a business.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-01-26 02:03:19 UTC
Astro Jones wrote:
I'll use UO as a example, when UO started 15 years ago it took the game world by storm, then the thieves and reds griefed so many player's and so many people quit UO almost went under...so they changed the game and to this day UO has over 2 million active accounts. You can still PVP and it’s lots of fun but the truth is it’s a business.


Never did get into UO alot...people think today's MMOs are a grind...try UO back in the day. I still have no regrets over not playing that game more than I did. In reality, UO was the biggest reason I didn't do Pay to Play games for over half a decade.
"If."
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-01-26 02:09:43 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss.

Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.

This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat.

This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.


you are totaly wrong

1, eve can be played as lone wolf
2, you can play for ever whith out ever engaging in pvp just doing pve

and no is not all pvp hi sec is not pvp to begin whith it, it started to be used by gankers and can flipers but if you don't pick the can or dont take the kr on someone that ganked you then you can just keeping the pve lone wolf play

if you think all eve is about pvp you are dilusional.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”