These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
123Next pageLast page
 

Why complain about PvP?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-25 15:49:33 UTC
So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss.

Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.

This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat.

This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-25 15:51:03 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.


But I can get 1 unit of trit by docking in a pod.... Ugh

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-01-25 15:53:21 UTC
Ursula LeGuinn wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.


But I can get 1 unit of trit by docking in a pod.... Ugh


want me to edit that to "selling 1 unit of trit" Blink
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-25 15:55:37 UTC
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game?
Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-25 16:03:36 UTC
Jafit McJafitson wrote:
so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game?

I thought there was a whole trailer dedicated to it.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#6 - 2012-01-25 16:05:34 UTC
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-01-25 16:08:11 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.


It used to be, know your history
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#8 - 2012-01-25 16:10:01 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.


It used to be, know your history


Is it now?
Why?
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-01-25 16:20:59 UTC
Ocih wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.


It used to be, know your history


Is it now?
Why?


I'm not saying everywhere should be null. There are advantages of having areas that make it easier to get into the game now the community has grown to the size it is.

This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#10 - 2012-01-25 16:23:39 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.


It used to be, know your history


Is it now?
Why?


I'm not saying everywhere should be null. There are advantages of having areas that make it easier to get into the game now the community has grown to the size it is.

This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this.


Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2012-01-25 16:30:00 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom.
A.K.A a PvP game where everything it it being some form of PvP, feeding a PvP market that is fed by a (PvP) war economy.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-01-25 16:30:38 UTC
Ocih wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Feel free to lobby CCP to make all of New Eden null sec.


It used to be, know your history


Is it now?
Why?


I'm not saying everywhere should be null. There are advantages of having areas that make it easier to get into the game now the community has grown to the size it is.

This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this.


Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom.


Links or it didn't happen.

To me "sandbox with PvP freedom" means "PvP Sandbox" which means "a game with PvP at it's core".
If they really mean that "It's not pvp in high sec" why are Concord a consequence to your action and not a prevention?

oh and quit going on about "lobbying" people, like I'm that invested in the game. If they turn it pure PvE or PvP only in 0.0 I'll just quit and go play something else.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#13 - 2012-01-25 16:38:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Again, lobby CCP because they are the ones who say it isn't a PvP game. It is sold as a sandbox with PvP freedom.
A.K.A a PvP game where everything it it being some form of PvP, feeding a PvP market that is fed by a (PvP) war economy.


And I will say it again. Throw down the gauntlet.

It doesn't matter what I think it is. Talk to CCP. It's thier game and they don't agree.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-01-25 16:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ocih wrote:
It doesn't matter what I think it is. Talk to CCP. It's thier game and they don't agree.
…except that they're the ones saying that. So no, they most certainly agree — it's their entire sales pitch.
Valei Khurelem
#15 - 2012-01-25 16:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Quote:
This doesn't stop it from being a pvp game though and by signing up you need to accept this.


I want this game to be a PVP Sandbox, not a gank-anyone-who-looks-at-you-funny box, if this game had nothing but 0.0 space I guarantee you it would be dead as the rest of 0.0 space within a month.

The thing about this game is, when you die, you're done, you have to go back to grinding ISK again, no one wants to do that, you have to be in a huge group to use the cheap ass frigates effectively and while that might be fun for alliances etc. what about the people who just want to play the game every now and then or roam about in small groups?

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#16 - 2012-01-25 16:41:38 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:

Links or it didn't happen.

To me "sandbox with PvP freedom" means "PvP Sandbox" which means "a game with PvP at it's core".
If they really mean that "It's not pvp in high sec" why are Concord a consequence to your action and not a prevention?

oh and quit going on about "lobbying" people, like I'm that invested in the game. If they turn it pure PvE or PvP only in 0.0 I'll just quit and go play something else.


Show me where CCP said EVE was a PvP game.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-01-25 16:43:19 UTC
lol, eve is not listed as solely a PVP game

google has - EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2012-01-25 16:44:26 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Show me where CCP said EVE was a PvP game.

What is EVE Online?
Tore Vest
#19 - 2012-01-25 16:46:45 UTC
I want CONCORD everywhere Bear

No troll.
Othran
Route One
#20 - 2012-01-25 16:47:51 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
So in WoW you chose a PvE server, killed lots of big monsters and felt like a boss.

Eve's different, it's just one PvP server. No matter what you do from buying 1 unit of tritanium to leading a 2000 man fleet it's all rooted in PvP.

This is something you need to accept, sure there are ways of mitigating the chances that someone will turn up and shoot at you but ultimately if you want to lone wolf and do no PvP, go play the X3: The Threat.

This really isn't a troll post, I just don't get why people would sign up to a PvP game (even mining and selling the ore is pvp) and then complain about it.



People don't believe that Eve is actually what game forums say. ie they don't believe that you can kill anyone anywhere or scam anyone and that's fine.

That and we periodically get the fallout from failed/failing space games - eg Celestial Horizon was the corp for people from EaB and the "griefer scum" wailing was epic then. Some of them adapted (very well) but most quit.

Eve is a Darwinian game at heart - adapt (evolve) or die (quit) and most anything goes. I think that's why it still exists - unlike most MMOs launched 9 years ago.
123Next pageLast page