Crime & Punishment

Cool tactic

It's called learning...

1st lesson, stuff goes boom
2nd lesson, stuff goes boom unexpectedly
3rd lesson, people you think you can trust make stuff go boom
Most important lesson, harden up and make others go boom before you do

2nd most important lesson, don't feed them with tears....

Interesting...CVA opening fire first...so much for their NRDS doctrine.

Hypocritical bastards.

That tactic sounds pretty fishy, get CCP's word on it.

Im not complaining, although it doesnt make sense to be an "intended" game mechanic, I was suprised, but rather thought it quite clever and ("if") its deemed safe to do so, may use it myself one day.




We where at range off the gate, and he landed smack bang in the middle of us & began locking us up.
Although I cannot confirm who opened fire first, unless he just happed to warp to the gate at 50, it appeared to be rather intentional bait, neither myself or anyone in the gang have negative sec status, and wouldnt have willingly attacked a neutral, nor did we even realise he was CVA till after looking at the killmail.

I suppose it is possible it was a missunderstanding but im just asking the question if anyone else has experianced such a tactic,
and also if so by CVA.

Trust me if you were nuetral, CVA would not open fire first.
The other possibilty is that you are infact red too CVA in the first place. in witch case they will shoot.

Being in an npc corp does not make you nuetral by default it goes with the standings of your last player corp.
The whole thing can be cleared up by joining the CVA diplo channel in game if there was a genuine mistake your loss would be reimbursed.

Join the diplo channel and have a chat im sure your get to the bottom of things.

As for baiting of course if a group of suspicious nuetrals are around low sec somone will go take a look and see if they agress anything and want a fight, nothing wrong in that. Thats when you find out who really is NRDS and who pretends to be untill they are presented with an easy kill.

NRDS has been a bit fishy for quite some time - I remember having been killed by some CVA lapdogs in provi about 2.5 years ago for having been in a corp until 4 years ago that wasn't KOS to CVA whilst I was in it, but somehow managed to become KOS in the meantime.

Was in another medium sized corp in the meantime and in Viziam at the time I was killed.

Jumped through a gate in Provi in a pilgrim into their gang, didn't bother to activate my cloak because I knew I wasn't KOS and had set all Holders blue, waved in local and *blam*.

However, until then at least, NPC corps members weren't KOS and I was reimbursed by CVA - a lot has happened with CVA since then and I can't say if they'd still act that honourable.

Trouble is, we've had problems with people temporarily dropping corp and forming fleets of NPC corp pilots, specifically to hide their red standing. Thus the standing rule is: if your last corp previous to the NPC corp is red, you're still KOS. Unfortunately that makes it hard to distinguish legitimate cases like yours. I'm glad to hear that you were reimbursed, though.

Well, since the title of the thread is "CVA gone YARRR?!" I don't think it's entirely off-topic.

I believe I stated I cannot confirm who shot first. Most of us where at the very least yellow boxed by him on landing,
unfortunanly what transpired was reactional to that, and none of us where really paying attention to who actually redboxed who first.



Fair enough.

I've just sent a petition simply asking if using this mechanic INTENTIONALLY is considered an exploit without mentioning dates or names.

However regardless of the answer, my viewpoint is that the intention is key to the argument, and intention in this kind of situation would be hard to prove unless the pilot himself admits it.

Using this tactic, I'd assume a defensive argument can simply be such, that the offending pilot simply had a rather fondness of their implants, and was simply prematurely ejecting from his ship & warping off in order to maximise the chance of survival for his pod.

Further more the fleet that landed seconds later, (just happening to be in ships that are unlikely able to tank gate guns), could have simply been attempting a rescue operation and had no intention of taking advantage of said game mechanic, and that is is up to ccp to consider it an unavoidible bug in such instance which needs to be patched.

If I get a reply I'll let you know in less words if yay or nay to being an exploit.

I personally feel this is a game breaking bug if u're on the recieving end of the GCC... I myself was fortunate not to have agressed as I was out of lock range (rifter), I would have been a little peeved at loosing sec status had I done so, (not to mention my ship from gate guns... but thats not a train smash) as I dont have any sec to burn (I dont NPC), and im still at this stage reliant on the relative safety of fluffy while training and doing the odd 1v1. (the loot from which is the bare morsal of income from which I manage to survive thus far.)

On the otherhand, its a questionable but rather effective tactic if you're on the other side of the table. It will cost you a sacrificial ship however, to employs the aid of the gate guns against your intended targets aswell as buying the rest of your fleet immunity from them. In this case it was a cane, but it could have worked just aswell with a cheap non fitted cruiser (or slightly tanked frig)