Missions & Complexes

As far as I got it you should do it:


1: Send in your SubCap ships
2. After killing all Sleepers, warp in 1 (!) Carrier, kill all Sleepers
3. warp in the second Carrier, kill all Sleepers
4. warp in 1 Dread, kill all Sleepers
5. warp in second Dread, kill all Sleepers
6. loot.

Since I never lived in a C6 and I'm only repeting what I read, this might be wrong.

^This is an excellent way to be terrible at running C6 sites.

As for the mechanics, what Pocurk said.

Pocurk covered the mechanics so I'm just going to give some general advice.

The Sleepless Guardians that spawn have high hp, good resists, do a lot of damage and more importantly they're damn good at neuting, if they manage to neut one person down fully they tend to leave a neut on that person even when they move on to prevent the target from rebuilding their cap, they "usualy" only keep one ship capped out like this, though I've seen them keep 2 down before.
I don't know what style of site running your doing, but don't rely on active resist modules.
Oh and the big DPS seems to come from their missiles which are kin/exp damage.

C5's can be multiboxed pretty well, just ease your way into it.

i didnt say the method doest work, it would just take for EVER.
you can run a full capital escalation, ie: 2 dreads and 2 carriers, in 20minutes if youre doing it right, including salvaging at the end.
doing it the way described above would take you probably upwards of 45min.

im not going to give you detailed instructions on how to run the sites but here are a few things wrong with the above process:
not using a carrier for logi when carrier is available
warping in your highest DPS ships, dreads, last
using subcaps for dps at all when dreads are available

also, im not sure if the last poster is trying to get you killed deliberately or just trolling but trust me, you DO need to worry about the neuts.

Could I get some clarification here please?

From this thread I understand that a site will generate four cap spawns (2 carrier and 2 dread) if you just run it from go to wo in one session. Are you saying that, on top of that, if you don't clear the site, but leave in for its natural 3 - 4 day despawn period you will get those 4 capital spawns 3 - 4 times depending on how many DTs the despawn timer straddles? That sounds kinda lucrative to me :-)

Last time I tried this, it didnt work. After downtime cans where still there, w/o new sleeper

Was this changed recently?

i see very little mention on rorqs in these escalations.fact is the rorq doesn't escalate any additonal sleepers,but still have the cap reps.biggest time waister imo is killing the first 6 bs with subcap fleet after warping in first carrier.so weve decided to fit up some rorqs and warp them in first.so we warp in 2 rorqs ,and a subcap fleet of huginns(longest webs),maybe a golem for tp,and some grunts(tengu).kill all but 1 ship on first wave.now we ready for escalation.warp in 1 dread,rev or moros,web bs to death and kill them quick.next warp in all the dread you can muster(2-3 rev/moros)kill 8 bs quick,then you can warp in carrier 1 by 1. double escaltions can also be done offcourse,maybe just have back up hugins in carrier hull.with this set up can clear escaltion in less than 15mins.if last remaining sleeper from first wave scrams bring in rook to jam him and leave site after salvage.
im also interested to know if anyone has done full escalation of 28 bs.if not might fraps it soon:P

I usually do 20 BS escalation , there was once the sleeper decide to throw all neut on carrier, knowing your ship slowly going to explode is horrible

If I were running in a C5 or C6 again (I plan to... but nullsec is just a touch more... active...), I would do 1 carrier, 1 web rapier/huggin/loki/bhaalghorn (you can choose which one, need 40km web range), then warp in a moros. If you have t2 seige mod, and faction fit it, you can get a blaster moros to do 15k dps, 14k at 37km. This amounts to the same dps as 30 standard tengu's... which leads one to ask - if you can get that much dps from a dread, why in the world would you bring subcaps? Yes, the 15kdps moros is a bit squishy, but if you are clearing sites quickly this is less of a problem then you might think.

But as other said - you get 6-8-0 per dread/carrier, and the count is seperate for each. And if you are in a C5, a standard C5 site averages 250mil isk, while the capital escalation is worth about 1.25bil isk, so the best way to make isk is to as suggested, clear all but some scrammers from a site, then escalate till it despawns. If you have 5 sites in your WH, and you do that to all of them? That means that you make 6.25bil/day, which comes out to 25bil over a 4 day period from 5 sites with just the capital escalation. Why would you ever clear a site?

-Arazel

I doubt your cap fleet will surive in 20' with 28 sleepers on field, my fleet did 5 dread, then last carrier in 10' and sometimes the first carrier has hard time tanking under neut and sleeper dps