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Hired Assasin
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-26 16:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hired Assasin
Marine wrote:
Many have said the reasonnable here and i second them. Get a new GPU first ; the Q6600 is a good CPU, you need to feed it with a good GPU.

1) If you've the time to wait 4/6 months, you'll get a budjet 28nm GPU (Envidia or AMD) which will be : faster (DX 11) and cooler than the eat watt monsters 40nm we have now since 3 years.

2) If you do not want to wait, you can look at AMD, because the 28 nm is out now so the 40nm will drop in price ( if you're looking for budjet) very soon (TM) (1,2 months).



please dont go with ATI, all i can say is "You get what you pay for"

i have a 5870, but when compared to my old 9600 GT it feels smoother on the nvidia card (on games like world of tanks)

it just seems like every time i use a amd card it lacks compared to a Nvidia, sure the updated ati card can handle alot more then the old nvidia card and run at a higher FPS but is it really running as good as i assume (would a nvidia equivilent or lower model run smoother?)

most games are made for nvidia anyways and you get the CUDA core technology (great if you do any kind of video work or image work) and it also has physx.


just save your money and not get a ATI.

im waiting for the 680 to come out and im ditching my 5870.

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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-01-26 17:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Hired Assasin wrote:
just save your money and not get a ATI.


Depends on your goal. I started out with ATI but had several cards burn out on me in around a year so I become die hard NVidia... but at the same time it's ALWAYS -always- been the graphics card that became the bottleneck (including this thread) long before anything else needed replacing, and I didn't buy bad cards.

I built one PC around the same time as the original poster and started with SLi 8800gt512's, found that to be over kill and took one out. The first one lasted around two years before it died but was starting to struggle, and I popped the second one in there, the second I replaced with a 460 because it wasn't cutting it anymore, and I still haven't had any need to overclock my dual core processor. Given the projected requirements for upcoming games I fully expect to go through another three cards with this machine, assuming the CPU doesn't give up and die on me.

I'm at the point that I'd buy whoever gave me more value for the moment, and the best thing I've seen on the issue where some Toms Hardware articles Akita T linked in another thread. Those decided the Radeon 6870 was the best, and it's noticably cheaper than the NVidia counterparts.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#23 - 2012-01-26 18:48:00 UTC
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Marine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-26 20:30:49 UTC
Hired Assasin wrote:
Marine wrote:
Many have said the reasonnable here and i second them. Get a new GPU first ; the Q6600 is a good CPU, you need to feed it with a good GPU.

1) If you've the time to wait 4/6 months, you'll get a budjet 28nm GPU (Envidia or AMD) which will be : faster (DX 11) and cooler than the eat watt monsters 40nm we have now since 3 years.

2) If you do not want to wait, you can look at AMD, because the 28 nm is out now so the 40nm will drop in price ( if you're looking for budjet) very soon (TM) (1,2 months).



please dont go with ATI, all i can say is "You get what you pay for"



Mate, i just talk about AMD because they just launch a 28nm GPU which mean their 40nm will drop in price soon and will be less priced than Envidia. Unfortunately Envidia will launch a 28nm budjet card only at the end of the year, that's why i was talking AMD products.
FallenTitan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-01-27 02:07:03 UTC
Thanks for everyone's input so far. You've been a lot of help.

I'll wait until April-June for the new gear to come out. In the meantime.. What card should hold me over? I really don't want to spend too much of a card thats only going to be used for a few months.

Doing a quick search of local AUS$ Prices (keeping in mind AUS$ is roughly equal to US$)

$88 - Leadtek GTS450 2G DualLinkDVI D-Sub HDMI PCI E

^ Would this be a noticeable step-up from an 8800GT?

Otherwise it looks like a bit of a step-up to cards like this;

$179 - ATI 6870 1GB Powercolor PCIe Video Card
Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#26 - 2012-01-27 03:17:18 UTC
Not really, a GTX 460 is really the step up, the 450 is a budget card that has been neutered, the 460 is a beastly card even 2 years after it came out.

The 6870 lineup is not half bad as well.

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Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-27 03:25:28 UTC
ATI/AMD is fine.

I am not a fan of their products, but they are just fine. They are the "Cost friendly" company. Intel strives for performance.

AMD is performance per dollar.

Other than that, no gripes.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-01-27 03:26:12 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
Not really, a GTX 460 is really the step up, the 450 is a budget card that has been neutered, the 460 is a beastly card even 2 years after it came out.

The 6870 lineup is not half bad as well.

What he said.

The 450 is what you buy to put into a media center PC to decode blu-rays and not stutter. Thats about it.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-01-27 04:34:07 UTC
Lithalnas wrote:
Not really, a GTX 460 is really the step up, the 450 is a budget card that has been neutered, the 460 is a beastly card even 2 years after it came out.

The 6870 lineup is not half bad as well.


+1

Go for the 460 if you don't like ATI.

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Reiisha
#30 - 2012-01-27 17:57:14 UTC
Akita T wrote:
SSD: just about any of the 30 or 40 GB ones, even a 16GB one if strapped for cash (or any 60GB one if not so strapped for cash), use in SSD caching mode alongside a decent modest capacity (500GB-1TB) "green" 5200 RPM HDD


Don't get a small SSD. You'll cripple yourself.

Get at least a 96GB one, or 120-128GB. The fuller an SSD gets the slower it gets and less reliable so it's never a good idea to get a small one thinking "everything should just fit on it". You will want to keep 20-33% of the disk free, otherwise you'll get a pretty big performance hit.

A larger SSD also allows for some experimentation with putting games on it. Loading times are drastically reduced but ingame performance is not affected at all for most games.

IF you get an SSD, always get a normal HDD to go alongside it. Storage for files and movies and whatever does not need to be on an SSD at all.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-01-28 01:00:00 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:
Thanks for everyone's input so far. You've been a lot of help.

I'll wait until April-June for the new gear to come out. In the meantime.. What card should hold me over? I really don't want to spend too much of a card thats only going to be used for a few months.

Doing a quick search of local AUS$ Prices (keeping in mind AUS$ is roughly equal to US$)

$88 - Leadtek GTS450 2G DualLinkDVI D-Sub HDMI PCI E

^ Would this be a noticeable step-up from an 8800GT?

Otherwise it looks like a bit of a step-up to cards like this;

$179 - ATI 6870 1GB Powercolor PCIe Video Card

GTS 450 is a bit better than 8800GT.

However, like others said, the gamer cards start with GTX 460.

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2bhammered
Cyberpunk 2077
#32 - 2012-01-28 01:46:16 UTC  |  Edited by: 2bhammered
Reiisha wrote:
Akita T wrote:
SSD: just about any of the 30 or 40 GB ones, even a 16GB one if strapped for cash (or any 60GB one if not so strapped for cash), use in SSD caching mode alongside a decent modest capacity (500GB-1TB) "green" 5200 RPM HDD


Don't get a small SSD. You'll cripple yourself.

Get at least a 96GB one, or 120-128GB. The fuller an SSD gets the slower it gets and less reliable so it's never a good idea to get a small one thinking "everything should just fit on it". You will want to keep 20-33% of the disk free, otherwise you'll get a pretty big performance hit.

A larger SSD also allows for some experimentation with putting games on it. Loading times are drastically reduced but ingame performance is not affected at all for most games.

IF you get an SSD, always get a normal HDD to go alongside it. Storage for files and movies and whatever does not need to be on an SSD at all.



That is not true at all, somewhat for a normal harddrive but not for an SSD and you are a fool if you use the SSD for anything but OS and essentials. Anything that keeps writing on the disk and rewriting is bad, as it lessens its life, but 1 or 2 games is good, I reccomend 2 SSD's 60gb+, one forOS and essentials and the other for 1 or 2 games you always play like MMO's. Also ANY game that reads of the harddrive, ALL games pretty much DOES get a very noticable boost in performance on loading times etc.

Go with a 60gb+ SSD use with OS and essentials then have partion with normal drive for everything else, even do all downloads to another drive.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#33 - 2012-01-28 13:22:42 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:
Thanks for everyone's input so far. You've been a lot of help.

I'll wait until April-June for the new gear to come out. In the meantime.. What card should hold me over? I really don't want to spend too much of a card thats only going to be used for a few months.

Doing a quick search of local AUS$ Prices (keeping in mind AUS$ is roughly equal to US$)

$88 - Leadtek GTS450 2G DualLinkDVI D-Sub HDMI PCI E

^ Would this be a noticeable step-up from an 8800GT?

Otherwise it looks like a bit of a step-up to cards like this;

$179 - ATI 6870 1GB Powercolor PCIe Video Card


nVidia 570, if you use 1080P+ panel - better performance and better resale value (if needed) when you upgrade.

BF3 practically explodes the second you put AA on, and consistent averages above 60 frames a second will require a 570, or a 6970.

The ultra quality setting requires a 590, or 2 x 580 in sli - few people would wish to make that level of commitment to a game.

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Reiisha
#34 - 2012-01-28 16:03:35 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Akita T wrote:
SSD: just about any of the 30 or 40 GB ones, even a 16GB one if strapped for cash (or any 60GB one if not so strapped for cash), use in SSD caching mode alongside a decent modest capacity (500GB-1TB) "green" 5200 RPM HDD


Don't get a small SSD. You'll cripple yourself.

Get at least a 96GB one, or 120-128GB. The fuller an SSD gets the slower it gets and less reliable so it's never a good idea to get a small one thinking "everything should just fit on it". You will want to keep 20-33% of the disk free, otherwise you'll get a pretty big performance hit.

A larger SSD also allows for some experimentation with putting games on it. Loading times are drastically reduced but ingame performance is not affected at all for most games.

IF you get an SSD, always get a normal HDD to go alongside it. Storage for files and movies and whatever does not need to be on an SSD at all.



That is not true at all, somewhat for a normal harddrive but not for an SSD and you are a fool if you use the SSD for anything but OS and essentials. Anything that keeps writing on the disk and rewriting is bad, as it lessens its life, but 1 or 2 games is good, I reccomend 2 SSD's 60gb+, one forOS and essentials and the other for 1 or 2 games you always play like MMO's. Also ANY game that reads of the harddrive, ALL games pretty much DOES get a very noticable boost in performance on loading times etc.

Go with a 60gb+ SSD use with OS and essentials then have partion with normal drive for everything else, even do all downloads to another drive.


Having the swap file on the SSD is one of the major reasons to get one....

Anything else doesn't keep writing and reading, it's the swap and temp files that do that. Moving either off the SSD will pretty much kill the advantage you get from it. If you underprovision the disk a bit i don't see how this will be a problem.

Also, yes, the disk getting fuller makes SSD's slower aswell. A 60gb partition for windows is a tad on the small side aswell, especially if you have a lot of RAM and use sleep mode at all.

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Lithalnas
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#35 - 2012-01-29 18:39:09 UTC
one thing you can do is get a "Z68" board and enable SSD caching, It makes the SSD + HDD appear as a single drive, the OS then puts files It uses a lot onto the cache drive making the entire system act like an SSD. As an added bonus the max SSD size for this kind of setup is 64gb which is a cheaper drive.

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Borascus
#36 - 2012-01-30 01:37:13 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:



SOUND CARD: Integrated Sound Card (I'm not sure if it's worth getting one or just using integrated?)



Integrated Sound cards might not have a graphic equalizer functionality that is to your liking, One of the ASUS boards I use/d has Realtek HD Audio, it compliments the Creative Labs Fatal1ty Headphones very well when playing CD's or even Youtubing.


Be careful which "integrated" option is provided as it may just be the 'Windows' volume controls.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#37 - 2012-02-03 16:31:59 UTC
Must be brief. No time. In a hurry.
Reiisha wrote:
Akita T wrote:
SSD: just about any of the 30 or 40 GB ones, even a 16GB one if strapped for cash (or any 60GB one if not so strapped for cash), use in SSD caching mode alongside a decent modest capacity (500GB-1TB) "green" 5200 RPM HDD

Don't get a small SSD. You'll cripple yourself.

Not for a separate partition, just for transparent huge cache.

Feature only available with SandyBridge CPU on Z68 motherboards.
Even a 4 GB SSD used in cache mode gives a noticeably better overall performance over just the HDD alone.

The max size of a SSD cache "partition" is limited to a bit under 64GB max.
Performance increase from 32GB (or even 16GB) to 64GB not really all that huge unless you play some very large HDD footprint games and seldom reload the same levels.

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