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Fix for the gank found! :D

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#141 - 2012-01-27 16:27:22 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
What risk?

Secret lock cargo ship when come out Amarr or Jita.
Scan cargo.
Good cargo? Tell gang on system exit gates "Shoot this one."

Boom! - is gone.

No risk, no warning, nothing - only dead and robbed.


I think I'm growing tired of pointing out how the hauler could have taken extra steps to better ensure his safety.

The gankers spent time, effort, and risk money to get a kill. The hauler only needs to spend a bit of effort to thwart their efforts.

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Honnete Du Decimer
#142 - 2012-01-27 17:19:27 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

I think I'm growing tired of pointing out how the hauler could have taken extra steps to better ensure his safety.

The gankers spent time, effort, and risk money to get a kill. The hauler only needs to spend a bit of effort to thwart their efforts.


I start the music up for dance the circle again?

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
What risk?

Secret lock cargo ship when come out Amarr or Jita.
Scan cargo.
Good cargo? Tell gang on system exit gates "Shoot this one."

Boom! - is gone.

No risk, no warning, nothing - only dead and robbed.


He's are associated risks:
1.) They shoot it, and it survives because it's has enough tank --- then they lose ships and gain nothing.
2.) They destroy it, and NOTHING of value drops --- Then they lose ships and gain nothing.
3.) They scan ships for HOURS, and don't find any ships worth shooting -- Then they lose time and gain nothing.



1) No - Scan ship also can scan fit.
2) Poor luck but no worry next kill for "lulz" come soon.
3) Shame I cry custard now. Cry

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#143 - 2012-01-27 17:54:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
...
There are ways to take on multiple people as one person. If you're fast and have the range (like a Vagabond or a Cynabal) you can do "drive-by" shootings to pick off their weaker targets.
...


Is only work for newbs. You no can warp disrupt so far so just warp away.


Overheated Warp Disruptor II disrupts to 28 km. When you have a cruiser that goes 2500+ m/s non-overheated and can kill interdictors in only a few shots, you can get some pretty sweet kills. It's very risky, though.


This man knows exactly what he is talking about... the OP does not.

Case in point.

Quote:
This happen for MMO but you stand in door and only 1 maybe 2 people reach you. You in tank behind hill can shell many. There no way for one in EVE but there way for RL one or few to defeat many.


FPS and WOT do not have game elements that involve piloting vulnerable vehicles dedicated to non-combat activities, this game does.

This, of course, shifts your objective to evading the engagement to begin with... not finding a way for a mining vessel to engage multiple hostile craft and kill them.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#144 - 2012-01-27 18:48:11 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

This man knows exactly what he is talking about... the OP does not.


While I thank you for the compliment, I only know what I'm talking about because I've tried everything I talk about. I've busted through 20-man nullsec gatecamps by using Cloak-MWD, survived lowsec smartbomb camps because I bothered to tank myself, and many other things.

OP doesn't. She just says "no, these existing solutions don't work" without ever trying them, and demands something new from CCP. If OP would like a demo of how to get around Eve safely, I can readily do so on TQ or on SiSi. OP really shouldn't shoot down things like "tank", "cloak-mwd", "intel" or "intelligence" and jump straight to creating new things.

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Honnete Du Decimer
#145 - 2012-01-27 18:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Honnete Du Decimer
Ranger 1 wrote:
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This, of course, shifts your objective to evading the engagement to begin with... not finding a way for a mining vessel to engage multiple hostile craft and kill them.


Evade yes.
Fail evade? - Tank long enough friend rescue.

Solution work for evade. I say many time.

They do nothing if evade fail.

Story:

Mining Barge is sit grav site in worm hole system, mine happy time. Ganker is scan before they log on. Put cloak ship near. Enemy jump in and grab miner. Miner tank and friends in system next door who shoot sleeper they come fast. Then good fight.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#146 - 2012-01-27 19:07:44 UTC
Here you go.

Quote:
[Hulk, Reasonable tank]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Survey Scanner II
Invulnerability Field II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Small Shield Extender II

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


In hisec this will survive more than enough for CONCORD to arrive. Elsewhere, you have a good tank to start with (25.5k EHP) which can get you a good amount of the way to surviving until your friends come in. You also have ECM drones, which could end up jamming your attacker and you getting away without needing any help.

Which part of this needs mechanic changes again?

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Honnete Du Decimer
#147 - 2012-01-27 19:14:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Honnete Du Decimer
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

In hisec this will survive more than enough for CONCORD to arrive. Elsewhere, you have a good tank to start with (25.5k EHP) which can get you a good amount of the way to surviving until your friends come in. You also have ECM drones, which could end up jamming your attacker and you getting away without needing any help.

Which part of this needs mechanic changes again?


Real is start 17K eHP and go up. Hulk is 4-5 thrasher or low, null and worm hole is 6-7 Tech 3. It no last long.

Edit

Thrasher 5M with all T2 thing.
Hulk hull is 200M

Can do many cheap for maudit "lulz"

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#148 - 2012-01-27 19:33:16 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:

Real is start 17K eHP and go up. Hulk is 4-5 thrasher or low, null and worm hole is 6-7 Tech 3. It no last long.


I'm not sure what you're talking about with the 17k. Do you just have bad shield skills?

Also, to ask that a Hulk tank 4-5 Thrashers is ridiculous. Those things can hit 500 DPS. To tank 5 Thrashers for a minute, you need to have more than 150000 EHP. To put that in perspective, 150000 EHP is around what a mega-tanked Abaddon (tier 3 Amarr battleship) has, when fitting three 1600mm plates and trimark rigs. The Abaddon is also far easier to hit, as its signature is 3x that of the Hulk. The Abaddon is also more expensive.

And... guess what? The Abaddon doesn't earn you money. It is a sunk cost into a ship that you will one day lose in PvP. The Hulk pays for itself over time. The Abaddon does not. It makes no sense at all for a Hulk to be that tanky.

Something that would make sense is for the Hulk to be more agile, to align and warp faster at a sign of trouble. You would still need to use your piloting skill for that, and not just sit there praying your friends will come on time.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#149 - 2012-01-27 19:51:15 UTC
Oh right, I forgot. You wanted this fit:

Quote:
[Rokh, Let me afk mine in peace]

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5

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Honnete Du Decimer
#150 - 2012-01-27 21:54:34 UTC
You love argue. Roll

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#151 - 2012-01-27 22:00:06 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
You love argue. Roll


Only when I'm sure I'm right Cool

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Honnete Du Decimer
#152 - 2012-01-27 22:04:38 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
You love argue. Roll


Only when I'm sure I'm right Cool


I no agree. You dance circle and miss point.

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#153 - 2012-01-27 22:07:56 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
You love argue. Roll


Only when I'm sure I'm right Cool


I no agree. You dance circle and miss point.


Nope. I got the point: that ganking non-combat ships is too easy and there should be mechanics/buffs to make it harder.

What I'm saying is a different point: it is only "too easy" when done against people who are not taking precautions. If more people flew haulers properly rather than just giant cargo containers, ganking would not be a problem.

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Honnete Du Decimer
#154 - 2012-01-27 22:16:24 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

Nope. I got the point: that ganking non-combat ships is too easy and there should be mechanics/buffs to make it harder.

What I'm saying is a different point: it is only "too easy" when done against people who are not taking precautions. If more people flew haulers properly rather than just giant cargo containers, ganking would not be a problem.


Happy now with more plan and precaution? Twisted

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#155 - 2012-01-27 22:47:54 UTC
Yup.

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Honnete Du Decimer
#156 - 2012-01-27 22:56:50 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Yup.


Big smile

Now what for industrial?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#157 - 2012-01-28 01:53:03 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Yup.


Big smile

Now what for industrial?


T1 Industrials are designed to be paper bags used to transport near-valueless cargo*. If you fill them with the incorrect cargo, you will go *BOOM* It's nice and simple like that.


*BattleBadger and Battle IttyV are both a hell of a lot of fun, and probably the best way to use that Indy 5 skill.

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Honnete Du Decimer
#158 - 2012-01-28 15:42:25 UTC
Industrial should be 3-4 seconds so escort can help, minimum. Not instant.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#159 - 2012-01-28 15:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Here you go.

Quote:
[Hulk, Reasonable tank]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Survey Scanner II
Invulnerability Field II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Small Shield Extender II

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


In hisec this will survive more than enough for CONCORD to arrive. Elsewhere, you have a good tank to start with (25.5k EHP) which can get you a good amount of the way to surviving until your friends come in. You also have ECM drones, which could end up jamming your attacker and you getting away without needing any help.

Which part of this needs mechanic changes again?


The part where 5 Brutix show up to 'take care of things'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Honnete Du Decimer
#160 - 2012-01-28 15:52:53 UTC
Main problem is no real defend. Plan attack is automatic win.

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