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Fix for the gank found! :D

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Honnete Du Decimer
#241 - 2012-02-04 18:46:26 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
you can shoot them as soon as they go GCC.


Too late, target destroyed.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#242 - 2012-02-04 19:08:08 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
you can shoot them as soon as they go GCC.


Too late, target destroyed.



A gank Destroyer has much less EHP than a tornado's alpha. One missing destroyer means the hulk survives. If your tornado pilot is on the ball, the destroyer will die, your hulk will live.

Again, Dessie Ganks are not about alpha (to which the only response is don't get shot at [reasonable since alpha is more expensive than dps]) so you do have time to respond.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Honnete Du Decimer
#243 - 2012-02-04 19:19:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
tornado + hulk survives. .


Hulk? Shocked

Who sit and protect miner? You positive you talk for EVE now?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#244 - 2012-02-04 19:28:51 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
tornado + hulk survives. .


Hulk? Shocked

Who sit and protect miner? You positive you talk for EVE now?


Hey, I said that having a Tornado providing overwatch will protect your Hulk.

If you want to talk cost effectiveness, then you've opened the box to figuring out how often ganks happen which, judging from the cost of HS mins, isn't often.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Honnete Du Decimer
#245 - 2012-02-04 21:11:35 UTC
HS minerals is self feed problem.
HS ore is no pay much -> must mine more -> more ore than need on market -> ore go cheap.
Missions -> T1 loot -> minerals -> cheaper minerals.

There many Hulk pilot gank. Stop mine and do other thing. Same with newbie battleship gank. When miner no like other thing they are quit.
Ganking is kill veterans but all time stop one then new one is come. Same with newbie and battleship. Kill one they rage quit then new newbie come and get battleship.

PMS [:p]
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#246 - 2012-02-05 05:10:53 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
HS minerals is self feed problem.
HS ore is no pay much -> must mine more -> more ore than need on market -> ore go cheap.
Missions -> T1 loot -> minerals -> cheaper minerals.

There many Hulk pilot gank. Stop mine and do other thing. Same with newbie battleship gank. When miner no like other thing they are quit.
Ganking is kill veterans but all time stop one then new one is come. Same with newbie and battleship. Kill one they rage quit then new newbie come and get battleship.


The pay on mining (as with any other activity in EvE) is a function of safety and effort. Mining is high safety, low effort, so it pays poorly (Nullsec mining pays poorly because of Drone Poo).

There are a tiny number of hulk ganks compared to hulks mining in HS. I was a miner for the better part of a year and never got can flipped, let alone ganked. I was a mission runner for a further ~6 months and never got ganked, even with a CNR full of shinies. I'm fairly certain you're overstating the prevalence of ganking.
If mining is the only thing in EvE you enjoy, then pull out your Covetor and mine when you get ganked. Nobody's going to bother ganking a Covetor.

If people are quitting EvE because they got ganked, then that's probably a good thing, since they get to figure out that EvE isn't the right game for them before they invest much time and money into a game focused on cutthroat competition between players.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Honnete Du Decimer
#247 - 2012-02-05 17:35:06 UTC
I am think you copy thing from file you save. Round and round, same thing.

PMS [:p]
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#248 - 2012-02-05 20:22:37 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
I am think you copy thing from file you save. Round and round, same thing.


If the point I'm making is topical, who cares if I've made it before. You've never refuted it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Honnete Du Decimer
#249 - 2012-02-05 23:24:40 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
If the point I'm making is topical, who cares if I've made it before. You've never refuted it.


No I am never.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#250 - 2012-02-06 00:40:39 UTC
Honnete Du Decimer wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
If the point I'm making is topical, who cares if I've made it before. You've never refuted it.


No I am never.


If you have refuted my point, and I missed it because I'm having a hard time reading your posts, that's my fault.
Please show me which point you have refuted and how you refuted it. That way we can continue.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#251 - 2012-02-09 14:13:20 UTC
Honnete,

your problems are a lack of preparation, a refusal to adapt and use the available tools, and another refusal to learn from your mistakes.
If you mine in a system, get ganked, try again without changing any of the variables of your situation, and get ganked again without better preparation for potential outcomes, the only person that is to blame is you.
I can tell that your extremely stubborn and unwilling to listen to reason but I'll try to educate you anyway.

If you are getting ganked in a system and either can not or are not willing to adapt to increase your chances to survive like the many thousands of other characters do in the game daily, then it is you who need to change and not the game in any way.
Eve is a game that forces you to learn and adapt as a part of the fun of playing it. Just by undocking and piloting your ship in space you are taking a risk of losing something so only do so if the reward outweighs the potential risks. It's not hard if you possess the brain capacity needed to continue to play. If all of this is far too much for you to fathom then perhaps it is time for you to look for a different game where some one is there to hold your hand and guide you through the whole thing.

tldr: Once again, HTFU, Die Trying, or GTFO. Evil
Baaa Shakiel
Kinnah Incorporated
#252 - 2012-02-11 20:28:43 UTC
Call me a Masochistic, but I play eve because there is an inherent risk of being blown up in every activity I engage in just for the giggles. If Hi Sec is made any safer, it would become a game of who owns more accounts/bots/multi-boxing. Sure is gonna F*** up my day. Maybe then I'll rage quit :D

Unfortunate as it is, Mining for ore instead of production is no longer a lucrative profession. Just hope CCP will fix this, otherwise we'll run out of carebears to SHOOT!

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#253 - 2012-02-12 01:52:07 UTC
Baaa Shakiel wrote:

Unfortunate as it is, Mining for ore instead of production is no longer a lucrative profession.


How is mining for production more lucrative? Are you failing to factor the cost of the minerals you mine in to your production profit calculations?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jenshae Chiroptera
#254 - 2012-02-15 17:58:33 UTC
OP is not very clear. However, I think I can agree with the gist of what they are saying:


  • Game is stacked in the gankers' favour.
  • Problems with jumping through gates blind.
  • Increasing the ability to fight back, raising the risk to the gankers.
  • All round more actual fighting.


I think the main problem is the disproportion between tanks and damage. Concord should probably respond slower so that the attackers have more time to fight but they would need it because at the same time those attacked would have an opportunity to react.

Adding this one to my list. Smile

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Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.