Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No enough risk for reward ganker are get. Is wrong they can easy kill for "lulz" Kill must be for the movement war and for profit. Must have tactics and counter tactics. Many tactics go one way and other way make strategy.

"You can prevent!" So? Want cure also.

No, for their victims, so they have a reason to stop being such idiots and actually adopt some safety behaviour.

The criminals have plenty of risk if the victims so choose. The victims choose not to and then complain that their choice to void the risks for the criminals mean the criminals have less risk.

How about you try ganking for profit if it's so damn easy. I mean I cannot keep my guns loaded with ammo how many easy kills there is around


As a -10 ganker who doesn't even use an orca. Tip: Can't sit on a gate. Setup is, spotter/loot scooper several jumps down the pipe, ganker undocks and warps to gate for appropriate target.


Here's a little fact for you, for ever 1 gankable hauler there is at least 100 with loot not worth killing for. Then add those damn cloaky transports that cannot be scanned. Yes, dummy, cannot be scanned if they hit cloak as soon as they start warp. Then add those tanked up beasts like mastadons. It's so easy to not get ganked, you don't even have to be terribly bright, just the 2nd dumbest guy around because the dumbest one will die.


Moving on with more facts, those borderline tanks which could go either way. You get a bad hit and they live.

Sometimes you just get a bad hit even on an easy target. All this is risk. Who would have thought.

Then finally, an ideal target. You kill him. Terrible loot drop. No profit and probably loss. Not to mention the time loss waiting for a kill, profitable or not.

Regardless, it's fun. Thrill of the hunt etc...


I just cannot have sympathy for those that get ganked, knowing what's involved in getting the kill. Seriously wake the **** up. For every gank killmail there's 100s of people that pass the ganker by that he can't touch. You must feel proud to be the scrub that got killed.

He pointed out the risks.

*Lost time
*Bad Drops
*Bad Damage rolls
*Unexpected Tank
*Fast police reaction

You just continually choose to dismiss them.

double-tank? Don't know what you're talking about with that comment ... I was just listing the stuff that one could use to ruin the ganker's day.

Furthermore, I hull tank.

I have no issue with this except....In systems where tutorial or career agents are present.

The agression mechanics are confusing to new players and they should get a familiar understanding of the game before being ganked. This way they have at least some chance of figuring what just went on.

When so heavy one side and make too easy for ganker he is complain no industrial want play with him.

The exception is no make general more fun. Also for example of you - what do with MWD Thrasher when 4 minute cool down and 4km near you in worm hole?

I'm cross posting this here, because it's relevant:

EvE is NOT a Utopia, where people hold hands and sing kumbuya; EvE is a DYSTOPIA, where white collar crimes (Scams) go unpunished and violet criminals are (sometimes) hand-slapped rather than jailed for eternity. EvE's largest publicity typically comes from the colossal scams where TRILLIONs of isk is stolen from other players. Other games would Ban people for that, here they reap the rewards of their deceit.

How do you think the police or an insurance company would respond to a bank that lost millions of dollars while transporting valuables with an unarmed bicycle courier? While its taboo to blame the victim, don't you think the bank executive responsible for such bad decision would be fired, if not sued and/or put in jail for criminal negligence? The executive can shout and claim that the bicyclist "Should" have been safe if the police where doing their job, but the fact is their method for moving valuables shows such a profound lack of judgment, that people will evaluate his responsibility in creating the crime. The investigation into his blame will explore the options available to him (like could he have employed an armored courier?), it will explore the rarity of the occurrence (do robberies happen often?), and it will evaluate the cost to risks involved. The corollary scenario in EvE, is when a player moves 500 million in valuables with an iteron, rather than a tanked battleship.

CCP’s job is to provide you with tools to mitigate your risks. And they do... Complaining about the fact that crime occurs regularly in this intentionally DYSTOPIAN UNIVERSE means you really don’t understand the game!! If your options were extremely limited and/or unreasonable, you might have some legs to stand on, but there are TONS of options, and player ignorance and stubbornness does not equate to a broken game design!

A corpmate of mine tried to gank a Crane in lowsec. This happened.

Working as intended. The hauler needs to be prepared to do well in a PvP situation, be it by escaping, or by surviving. Mechanics are already in place to both escape and to survive -- maybe not at the same time, but then everyone has to make tradeoffs in all areas of Eve. Safe hauling shouldn't be any different.