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, instead of . to seperate isk from cent. **** YEAH!

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Ai Shun
#41 - 2012-01-26 00:38:35 UTC
ASadOldGit wrote:
All software should be reading the users' "Region and Language" settings


+1

Glad to see it is doing that now.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-01-26 00:56:01 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
Would just like to point out here that grammatically, using a comma to separate numbers from percentages of numbers is wrong.

For example:

£150.50 is one hundred and fifty pounds, and fifty pence. The 'period' sign here signifies that the numbers following it are a percentage of the whole numbers - £0.50 being half of £1!

Using a comma in the same example gives you a totally different number.

European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact £15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; £15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.

Sorry to be all Grammar **** on you, but to someone who was taught to do things correctly, this bastardisation of the numbering system grates bigtime.


Yeah, Imma have to agree. Commas are used for thousands, millions, billions, etc, periods used to signify "cents", as they were.

I guess anything to dumb it down though. Ugh
"If."
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-01-26 01:11:25 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Oh look, another thread that devolved into an anti-American rant.


Why don't you invade another Middle-Eastern country about it
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#44 - 2012-01-26 01:14:35 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Oh look, another thread that devolved into an anti-American rant.


Why don't you invade another Middle-Eastern country about it


Yawn

If anyone ever looks at you and says,_ "Hold my beer, watch this,"_  you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
#45 - 2012-01-26 01:35:01 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Oh look, another thread that devolved into an anti-American rant.


I just want "dots" come back to my life.
Taipion
Adeptus Petrous
#46 - 2012-01-26 01:39:43 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
ir'a based on your regional settings... so for example, for the Americans(or anyone using "us" settings) "." is the decimal symbol while it's "," for Icelandic.

Joahna Gramer wrote:
Best. Change. Ever.
Hated to hoover over from my numpad to the keyboard just to put in the friggin dot.
Pierced Brosmen wrote:
Realy?
Awesome, been hoping for that to change ever since I started playing

I'm glad you like it... should I maybe not tell you that you could always do that by swapping 2 values in the prefs file... yeah, I think I won't P


Um, but now, there is a tiny little problem, when I copy a value out of a market order (modify order, select and copy the value), I cant paste it back, one is "."DOT one is ","NOT

going to be fixed, soon? ^^
Arden Reck
Hospitalarios
La Veracruz
#47 - 2012-01-26 01:45:29 UTC
well i don't give a damn about what is better

all i want is the , or . or whatever you use is the button on the numpad

at this time it is not

which i could live with if i wasn't grown used to it for several years already
Ai Shun
#48 - 2012-01-26 01:51:50 UTC
Drapko Nitzhonot wrote:
I just want "dots" come back to my life.


Moar dots. Just because.
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
#49 - 2012-01-26 02:43:49 UTC
Arden Reck wrote:
well i don't give a damn about what is better

all i want is the , or . or whatever you use is the button on the numpad

at this time it is not

which i could live with if i wasn't grown used to it for several years already


+1
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#50 - 2012-01-26 02:45:07 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
I get yelled at when I do 25 Janurary 2012. I dont know why :(


Probably because it's 16 June 2011.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Pierre Jacquemein
Impulsive Anarchy
#51 - 2012-01-26 03:02:26 UTC
Reicine Ceer wrote:
European and American systems would imply that the above number is in fact £15050 - fifteen thousand and fifty pounds - and even then, the comma should be between the first 5 and 0, as such; £15,050 -- this is how multiples of thousands are separated.
I don't think you have as firm a grasp on American nomenclature as you think you do. In the U.S. we do, in fact, use the decimal to denote cents.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#52 - 2012-01-26 07:58:56 UTC
On a side note, when i learned to write decimals, I was teached to use this: '

So I would write 1.050'45.

Then i just began writing wth a keyboard and moved the comma below.

Oh, and I always have felt very weird how anglo-saxons deem the month to be all that relevant. "Which day is now"? "January..." "HUH?" "...twenty-sixth".

Kinda lame and grammatically nonsensical:

"On January, on the twenty-sixth day, of year 2012, strange things happened..."

vs

"On the twenty-sixth day of January of year 2012, strange things happened..."

Romans 1*, anglo-saxons 0.


*Yes, i am aware that Romans had a bloody complicated calendar, but it moved from the smaller unit to the larger one in the same elegant progression as all civilized nations do today: "on the 3rd idus of march, et cetera"
Arden Reck
Hospitalarios
La Veracruz
#53 - 2012-01-26 23:07:15 UTC
yes the dot is between the 0 and the enter key unfortunatly now i need a damn comma

ah well entire thing is ****** i can't even see the blinking anymore not all of us have 10/10 vision
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#54 - 2012-01-26 23:16:04 UTC
sorry, but this is fail all around

, is punctuation
. is a DECIMAL POINT

one is for writing one is for mathematics

the only time a comma should be in a decimal number is when you are separating thousands, millions, billions and trillions

Really for the originators of the English language the Brits really blew it with mathematical notation

1,999,999.00

that is the most logical way of clearly defining a decimal number

FFS
Arden Reck
Hospitalarios
La Veracruz
#55 - 2012-01-26 23:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arden Reck
Morganta wrote:
sorry, but this is fail all around

, is punctuation
. is a DECIMAL POINT

one is for writing one is for mathematics

the only time a comma should be in a decimal number is when you are separating thousands, millions, billions and trillions

Really for the originators of the English language the Brits really blew it with mathematical notation

1,999,999.00

that is the most logical way of clearly defining a decimal number

FFS


it has nothing to with right and wrong this is almost like changing wich side of the road you drive on without warning

and make all the markings on the road the same color as the road

this is what it basicly comes down to i can't see the blinking and i suddenly am forced to change how i enter an order after several years
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#56 - 2012-01-27 02:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
Arden Reck wrote:


it has nothign to with rigth and wrong this is almost liek changing wich side of the road you drive on without warning

and make all the amrkings on the road the same color as the road

this is what it basicly coems down to i can't see the blinking and i suddenly am forced to change how i enter an order after several years


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TR4D3R4LT
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-01-27 07:14:09 UTC
Taipion wrote:


Um, but now, there is a tiny little problem, when I copy a value out of a market order (modify order, select and copy the value), I cant paste it back, one is "."DOT one is ","NOT

going to be fixed, soon? ^^


I put a bug report out of it the day patch rolled. Imho if system is made so that you can copy a string [100,99] from box and when you immediately try to paste it back to same box only to fail, then something is horribly wrong.

I dare you CCP Dev, go and pick any market order, choose buy, go to advanced, copy everything in "Bid price" slot and try to paste it back to same slot. Who the hell handled QA for this kind of thing? On perhaps positive side I've moved away from 0,01 isk games to 1 isk games until this get fixed, still I would prefer return to old "you can paste the information we gave you" -way, helps with cheaper stuff where margins are tight.

I swear I will flip my lid if this ends up as another "after couple small expansions, one major we say it's by design" reply.
Caldorai Anninen
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-01-27 09:59:50 UTC
Very funny topic.
I was always using ' sign as a thousand separator and never has a problem "What this dot/comma means?"
1'200'000.00 / 1'200'000,00 in any case clearly means "One million and two hundred thousands".

P.S. Prefs.ini file in settings folder for your windows user:
decimal= {set your sign for decimal separator}
digit= {set your sign for thousands separator}
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2012-01-27 10:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Reicine Ceer wrote:
[My grammatical point still stands.
No, it doesn't, because it's not a question of grammar. It's a question of local mathematical notation and the effects it has on machine input (and, as others have shown, it's much the same as the difference between date formats).

Quote:
Just because people do something doesn't mean it's in any way, shape, or form, correct.
Actually, it does. Largely because mathematical notation is not universally unified. It varies with the region. What is wrong for some is correct for others, and stating something as absolutely right or wrong is wrong, absolutely.

With numbers, in particular, it is utterly irrelevant to me how you choose to represent it locally as long as the representation on my end conforms to my conventions (it's that last bit that is still an issue for EVE).

Oh, aad as someone who lives in a decimal-comma nation, where ‘,’ is what gets produced if I use the numerical keyboard, this is an excellent change. Now, if only they could have some internal representation for what happens when you copy/paste numbers, it would be perfect.
Jorn Isu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-01-27 10:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorn Isu
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
On a side note, when i learned to write decimals, I was teached to use this: '

So I would write 1.050'45.

Then i just began writing wth a keyboard and moved the comma below.

Oh, and I always have felt very weird how anglo-saxons deem the month to be all that relevant. "Which day is now"? "January..." "HUH?" "...twenty-sixth".

Kinda lame and grammatically nonsensical:

"On January, on the twenty-sixth day, of year 2012, strange things happened..."

vs

"On the twenty-sixth day of January of year 2012, strange things happened..."

Romans 1*, anglo-saxons 0.


*Yes, i am aware that Romans had a bloody complicated calendar, but it moved from the smaller unit to the larger one in the same elegant progression as all civilized nations do today: "on the 3rd idus of march, et cetera"
Not defending it (I think MM/DD/YY is a stupid convention), Months are massively important in an agrarian society. They described the change in the seasons, by far the most important part of the life of a farmer. The numeric date was the next most relevant, as it allowed the counting of days, and the year was the least important; Who the **** cares that it's 1523 years after some poor sap died?

edit: By the way, I apologize on behalf of my countrymen, assuming those who seem to be aren't just terrible trolls. period as decimal point and comma as magnitudal delimiter looks nicer to me, but only because I'm used to it. I can think of a lot of silly arguments for both sides, but the important thing is that we understand each other, and I think we generally are able to :)