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ASSAULT FRIGATE BASH ON SISI - 26 FEB 2012 13:00-14:00 ServerTime
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-24 14:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
ASSAULT FRIGATE BASH ON SISI

DATE: 26 FEB 2012 SUN
15:00-16:00 ServerTime/GMT 1000-1100 EST 0800-0900 PST

Bring AFs and have fight.
No rules, no restrictions, it's for fun, for everyone to try out AF vs AF contest.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-01-24 15:50:25 UTC
If Prom doesn't enter this after all that AF testing he's a big baby.
Ivan Joukov
Soviet System
#3 - 2012-01-24 17:37:30 UTC
1 only AF fit for the whole competition ?

 Davai!
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-01-24 18:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
Ivan Joukov wrote:
1 only AF fit for the whole competition ?


Good question.
You can change your FIT (modules, rigs, ammo, implants, boosters) between rounds if you like (if you make it through the first round).
However, you cannot change whatever AF HULL, eg. wolf, ishkur, hawk, vengeance etc. you choose at the start of the competition.
Before each fight, you can know what HULL you are fighting. eg. you will know you are fighting a jaguar, and the opponent knows you are using a retribution.
You will have at least half a day or more in advance to prepare a suitable fit.
However, scanning of opponent's fit through scanning modules is not allowed.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Khrage
#5 - 2012-01-24 18:04:04 UTC
good luck pulling this off. keeping undesirables out will be, difficult.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-01-24 18:24:16 UTC
Darthewok wrote:

High-sec using can mechanics in a random system not announced ahead of time.


Cool story I guess.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-24 21:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
Liang Nuren wrote:
Darthewok wrote:

High-sec using can mechanics in a random system not announced ahead of time.


Cool story I guess.

-Liang


Amended:

Where will it be held:
High-sec. It is quite possible to have a safe duel through fleeting up, going to a deserted system with no one else, create a mutually agreed bookmark together, then warp there.

I forgot, fleeting to duel is now just easier than using a can.
Anyway, safe duels are held all the time in high-sec. Fair duel arrangement is not exactly a rare occurrence.
There are standard measures that can be adopted. No reason it cannot be arranged safely.
Also, duels will be held at different times, not one mass event to avoid mass disruption, and we will learn from any issues arising from any duel to ensure they do not occur in the next.

Besides, we are talking about an AF and 1mil per contestant, not exactly an enormous risk.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-01-24 21:54:46 UTC
So what you're telling me is that if I want to participate I need to tank not only my enemy but also the faction police? ;-)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-24 22:00:35 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
So what you're telling me is that if I want to participate I need to tank not only my enemy but also the faction police? ;-)

-Liang


If you are fleeted and attack each other, you get attacked by faction police? I'm a bit rusty on this. I do recall having participated in quite a few duels through fleeting in high-sec with no problems. Can't remember how it was arranged, test runs will be conducted beforehand to settle the procedure.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2012-01-24 22:03:05 UTC
I'm -10. If I enter high sec I get attacked by the faction police.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Chief Cheeba
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-01-24 22:06:19 UTC
fleet doesnt change roe in highsec...youll still have to use cans or something annoying to avoid concord
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2012-01-24 22:13:10 UTC
Well **** it - I live in Amamake and I'm usually online from 05:00-06:00 to 10:00-11:00 Eve time. If you see me ask for an AF 1v1 and I'll be happy to oblige. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-24 22:20:40 UTC
Nice.
Anyway, for the contest, the duels for -10ers will be arranged in low-sec or wormholes. So no problem for flashy reds to join.
Extra precautions will be required, but it can be done.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Axel Greye
Unlikely Suspects
#14 - 2012-01-25 03:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Axel Greye
Sure why not, count me in.

Axel Greye is the character I will be using.

As far as highsec aggro goes, best bet is:
1. both participants of the 1v1 drop a jetcan on station.
2. each participant steals from the opponents jetcan.
3. both participants warp to desired 'arena' and the fight begins on contact.

What about rules like de-aggression and module limitations?
If neither party can kill the other is it a draw?
If a participant warps out does he forfeit?
Is the use of ECM sanctioned and if so, is it limited to ECM drones or Racial Modular ECM?
Are ships limited to T1-T2 Modules or is the use of Faction and Deadspace Modules Permitted?
Is the use of Implants Sanctioned?

Also, rather than putting both parties in the same fleet (as it makes passing aggro a hassle), I would suggest putting each participant into their own fleet, with a neutral adjudicator to validate the fleet is unbonused.
Axel Greye
Unlikely Suspects
#15 - 2012-01-25 05:43:37 UTC
Uppsy Daisy wrote:
If Prom doesn't enter this after all that AF testing he's a big baby.

I hope he does, I owe him a second shot at killing me. =P
Spineker
#16 - 2012-01-25 05:49:59 UTC
If you are -10 you don't play?
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-25 06:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
Axel Greye wrote:

As far as highsec aggro goes, best bet is:
1. both participants of the 1v1 drop a jetcan on station.
2. each participant steals from the opponents jetcan.
3. both participants warp to desired 'arena' and the fight begins on contact.
Also, rather than putting both parties in the same fleet (as it makes passing aggro a hassle), I would suggest putting each participant into their own fleet, with a neutral adjudicator to validate the fleet is unbonused.

Sounds good!

Axel Greye wrote:

What about rules like de-aggression and module limitations?
If neither party can kill the other is it a draw?
If a participant warps out does he forfeit?
Is the use of ECM sanctioned and if so, is it limited to ECM drones or Racial Modular ECM?
Are ships limited to T1-T2 Modules or is the use of Faction and Deadspace Modules Permitted?
Is the use of Implants Sanctioned?

No module limitations, ECM mods/drones are allowed.
If neither party can kill the other, judge's decision is final after scanning both fits.
Any fit with under 80 dps damage (purely defensive fits with no offensive capability) forfeits.
If a participant warps out, he/she forfeits.
Faction/Deadspace modules, Implants, boosters and overheating are permitted but be aware if you die, your opponent can loot them.

I will not be competing for the sake of impartiality. Why do I want this competition?
You make your own fun in EVE, and you have to admit, this is an interesting challenge to arrange.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Axel Greye
Unlikely Suspects
#18 - 2012-01-25 08:11:29 UTC
Quote:
If neither party can kill the other, judge's decision is final after scanning both fits.
Any fit with under 80 dps damage (purely defensive fits with no offensive capability) forfeits.


This in itself is fine, but then I suggest you revise the previous statement of:

Quote:
No module limitations


The reason I say this is for example, a well tanked Vengeance tanks around 140-160 DPS. Lets assume for argument sake his opponent is a Railgun Ishkur Kiting beyond 20km with a MWD, The Railgun Ishkur will never break the vengeances cap stable tank, and the vengeance with its limited speed and rocket range will never catch the Ishkur to kill it. Both setups do more than 80dps as per the rules, but the match-up is Inconsequential as neither party will kill the other.

Might I make the suggestion of Banning MWD's for this tournament? This will encourage a nice scram-range style of combat from all assault frigates, but will still mean kiting is possible, but open to pilot error.

Also:

Quote:
Faction/Deadspace modules, Implants, boosters
I assume you mean combat boosters (pills) and not gang boosters. =P
Axel Greye
Unlikely Suspects
#19 - 2012-01-25 08:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Axel Greye
Basically it comes down to whether you want a Rock paper Scissors style tournament, or a Format Tournament.

With Assault frigates, there are 3 varieties:

1. MWD + Disrupt
2. MWD + Scram
3. AB + Scram

MWD + Disrupt Will Kite setup number 3 with little worry, but risks getting caught and shut down by setup 2.
MWD + Scram Stands a good chance of catching setup 1, but is outperformed close range by setup 3.
AB + Scram beats setup 2 in scram range, but stands very little chance of catching setup 1.


Setting a Format like: AB Only may seem like a limitation, but it will cut back on Rock Paper Scissor style win conditions hugely, and thus offer a better tournament meta in my opinion. People CAN still try long range kiting by doing AB + Disrupt, but it atleast gives AB + Scram assault frigates a fighting chance of catching them.
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-25 09:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Darthewok
Axel Greye wrote:
Quote:
If neither party can kill the other, judge's decision is final after scanning both fits.
Any fit with under 80 dps damage (purely defensive fits with no offensive capability) forfeits.


This in itself is fine, but then I suggest you revise the previous statement of:

Quote:
No module limitations


The reason I say this is for example, a well tanked Vengeance tanks around 140-160 DPS. Lets assume for argument sake his opponent is a Railgun Ishkur Kiting beyond 20km with a MWD, The Railgun Ishkur will never break the vengeances cap stable tank, and the vengeance with its limited speed and rocket range will never catch the Ishkur to kill it. Both setups do more than 80dps as per the rules, but the match-up is Inconsequential as neither party will kill the other.

Might I make the suggestion of Banning MWD's for this tournament? This will encourage a nice scram-range style of combat from all assault frigates, but will still mean kiting is possible, but open to pilot error.

Also:

Quote:
Faction/Deadspace modules, Implants, boosters
I assume you mean combat boosters (pills) and not gang boosters. =P


How about both ships must do more than 120 dps (calculated via EFT without overheating, implants, boosters. Faction/T2 ammo OK).
Otherwise they are hitting weaker than interceptors!
That should reduce tanking ability?
Yea, combat boosters (pills), gang boosters bad.
I won't ban MWDs as MWDs are very much a part of the game and fitting rock-paper-scissors for AFs.

CAVEAT RICHARDUS VOLVERE - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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