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Grifers and *elite* whiners - shut up

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#41 - 2012-01-24 14:52:24 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
Himnos Altar wrote:
Spell Check is your friend.

....possibly your invisible friend.


I am dislexic, sorry


Don't worry about it, your points were made. All you did was make it further by throwing some blood spots to the GD piranha patrol.

Every time CCP nerf, people in EVE stop doing things they did before.
Every time CCP nerfs people are forced to do stuff longer they weren't all that interested in doing before.

"I went to null" I made hundreds of billions doing this that and the other thing"
Doesn't mean you can. Most people in EVE are expected to farm ISK for 3 years to even begin to match the null bears. So all you null bears? Sit back and enjoy the wait, hope your PvP blobs don't quit or turn on you while the rest of us grind ISK at 10% levels you did to get numbers 1000% of what you needed in between hulkageddons, gankaMack's, war dec's and scam-a-lams.
Valei Khurelem
#42 - 2012-01-24 14:55:47 UTC
Quote:
8 people, that is immense, how did you cope?


Please go and troll somewhere else, I don't like you.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-01-24 14:56:03 UTC
So basically, the OP is bad at this game but it is somebody elses fault.

its all so clear now

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-01-24 15:00:57 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The OP has a point. Pretty much everything in EvE that is ****** up is ****** up because the players ****** it up. Frankly whenever CCP fixes something somebody else fucks it up and then people ***** and whine about it until CCP has to fix it again. Then you have the players that intentionally **** things up because they think they know better or are just flat out assholes that want to ruin the game because it is fun for them. Then after those players ruin the game for everybody else to the point that everybody else quits they ***** and whine about having nobody to **** with and blame CCP.

The glory of the sandbox.


ITS HILLARIOUS THAT A GUY WITH A QUOTE ABOUT EVE BEING A SANDBOX COMPLAINS ABOUT HOW OTHER PEOPLE PLAY IN HIS SANDBOX.... SO HILLARIOUS THAT I NEEDED TO TYPE THIS IN ALL CAPS


What is hilarious is that you can't spell "hilarious" and you think because someone makes a simple statement, they must be complaining about it. If I am complaining about anything it is about the players that complain about the game they ****** up. Also...typing in all caps just makes you look stupid.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Valei Khurelem
#45 - 2012-01-24 15:06:33 UTC
MY POST IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS BECAUSE I WRITE IN BIG BOLD LETTERS AND CAPITALS WHILE USING POORLY WORDED, INCOMPREHENSIBLE ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I really had to :P

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-01-24 15:07:03 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:

What is hilarious is that you can't spell "hilarious"

STOP GRIFING, THIS FORUMS IS FOR SRS DISCUSIONS ONLY!

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#47 - 2012-01-24 15:16:27 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
So im sat looking at the threads and im asking myself, surley these people cant be this damn stupid, the more i read the more im convinced, yes your are inface that damn stupid.

Lets go back to 04 when lvl mission rats used to give 1mil bounties per bs killed and 500k per bc killed, i also remeber my 0.0 main, there was alot of pvp because our alts made the ISK needed to keep up the fleets.
Then came the mission nerf because a bunch of no job pvp elite monkeys screamed loud enough and ccp was stupid enough to listen to them. And so PvP dropped off because our alts made about 1/4 of what we used to make on a daily basis, so pvp drops off, more people are ratting, mining in null trying to make isk, getting ships down. It started to go downhill from there.

Then Goons came and royally ****** null and empire up rather quickly.

Then incursions came, awsum way to make isk, but griefer corps rose to get *faction* battleship kills for the kb's.

I am also noteing how the *elite* griefers and pvpers who routinley mess up empire corps are now complaining about the lack of players in eve online. Ironic no? They very thing you complain about, you caused to happen, let me outline it for you.

You grief new corps daily, these corps shut down
New players quit because they cant join any corp without being blown up (forced pvp)
Tax rate on npc corp raised because *elite* griefers and pvp complain about a lack of targets
Market prices for basic t2 modules and ships rocket because there is now a lack of indy corps because they are routinly screwed over. Now the russians control the market.
No new recruits for pvp corps in null because empire griefer alts are making new players quit
0.0 regions (apart from hubs) become deadzones, player numbers drop off
Again all caused by the *pvp corps* themselves.
Empire can be busy but alot of the time now its not
Recruitment channel used to 1500-2000 on the weekends fri-monday now its more like 300-600 - again, people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up.
New pvp corps die out because *elite* corps dec them and take them camping non stop

A friend of mine started playing two weeks ago, he has been in 6 corps since and each one has had random decs levelled at it and 1bil in isk ransom demanded. Should this be allowed to continue?

And now you jihading incursions, why? Because you screwed up null sec with your empire alts actions? Your griefer corps actions? So u attack another section of eve that brings in new corps? New players? Well done, another way of destroying the game.

I know im gonnaa get flamed and trolled, probbaly war decced as a result of this post. but here is my message to the pvpers of eve

YOU complain about the lack of the new players, corps, 0.0 warefare, YOU routinley grief new corps and alliances that could grow into massivley new alliances and pvp corps.

YOU have only YOURSELF to BLAME for the fact EvE Online MMO is dieing, because YOU, the PVP COMMUNITY, are to blame, you hark on about carebears, go ahead, but everyone starts out, or 90% do as carebears, YOU are the ones DESTROYING this game, you want the game to change? YOU have to chaneg your HABITS AND GRIEFING WARS to sink this in.

You have only yourself to blame. CCP is not at fault, the game is not at fault, the pvpers of eve are at fault, you want null sec to become fun again? Get out of empire and get back into eve pvp as it was ment to be played. Because after 07, eve become a slow dieing train and YOU the ELITE PVP GRIEFERS are to blame.

Go ahead n flame, the more u doe it, the more u prove my point. Your just to stupid to see your actions in the short term massivley effect the game in the longterm, narrow minded individuals.

And before i am called a *bear* and a *newb* I was in the orginal CA/5/BOB and have lived in null since 04 to 2010 when id finally had enuff, i have pvped in fast gangs,.bombers the works, so dont throw childish insults

Hoff Out


Unfortunately everything you said is untrue. The numbers of people playing Eve is starting to rise again.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-01-24 15:19:26 UTC
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-01-24 15:33:38 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
Excellent reading


What you just described is called "player driven content", and what the hell that should be?

Well it should be something where people play together, have good laughs, respect each other and at some extent create new directions for the game and make it evolve in positive ways.

Now what do you have after 10 years?

Let me come back a little and explain my own experience. I've tried once Eve and I really hated, was so dam "weird" and tedious, people were rude whenever you asked some question and I was only getting started I was already scammed, got in to some crap corp where they managed to steal the poor crappy stuff I've managed to get in a few days.

Wow, yes let me say it again, wow.
Even the crappiest "guild" in wow is better than that, I mean this is supposed to be a game right? -not a full time job for some people that for whatever reason have that time and make some sort of honor to act/be human crap.

Got back again a few years latter for no special reason and this time met some nice people, still think this training systems is the crappiest leveling system you can find since it promotes:

- boting (as someone told me from the begining: isk is money, real money if you know what you're doing)

- internet real money trading for some people (mostly those that have only that to fill their journey) titans, sc's and whatever item/isk sold for real money on plenty of internet sites that even a 7 year old kid can find.

- cheating (hi cheat engine I'm looking at you) because more isk is better, isk is everything, holy [strike]money[/strike] isk.

- stealing IG (some are so proud of them they even make vids...), but also IRL (accounts stolen and sold for RL money) Shocked

- scamming - there are kids playing this game and the only rule CCP as responsible company has on this is none, witch makes me think after 10 years, 47k peeps connected the WE and 27 the rest of the week, there are far more reasonable people in this world than in this game, that's why they don't play it.
Now this game could be a real jewel and become a best seller but will never happen because it's a niche game for disturbed people like you and me and those who made it Lol
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-01-24 15:41:56 UTC
I wouldn't worry about what anyone else says or does.

If you ARE enjoying this game right now, then keep on playing. Nothing last forever anyways, so have fun while you can.

If you are NOT enjoying this game, then just do yourself a favor and leave. EVE is like a woman, but she ain't your wife, and she ain't your baby mamma, and there's nothing keeping you together if she ain't treating you right. There's plenty more out there where she came from. :)
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#51 - 2012-01-24 15:59:09 UTC
@OP

Too long to quote, most of what you stated is not true or - at least - it's subjective.

Your long blurb talks about when a MMO is young, its playerbase still exploring its many features (expecially in EvE), when growth and "golden age effect" are still pushing it up in a giant rush to the Klondike.

No MMO and not EvE could last forever like that.

Years passed, limits, formulas and mechanics became known and were exploited to the maximum. The small playerbase grew tenfold so the game became mainstream.

Competition became harsher, margins thinner, years passed. Each passing year the MMO playerbase becomes more bored, hysteric, accustomed and demanding all the bells and whistles. Warring sub-factions form.

Moreover, as the only game allowing scamming thieving etc. it attracted all those guys who could not find an "home" to do these acts while cornering out those who are "normal MMO players", in a mechanism called adverse selection.

Basically all your gripes come from seeing both a great game aging and humanity being able to express all its most hideous characteristics.

Sadly I can't tell you to play another MMO, because WoW swallowed the whole genre and the new productions are a piece of sh!t after the next.
Only hope - and I say hope, not hype - for a novel, valid PvP MMO-alike game is GW2. Sadly it won't be SCI-FI based.

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Killa Von Murderer
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-01-24 15:59:29 UTC
In my limited time playing Eve, I have met some really nice people, had some laughs, lost some ships, made some ISK and generally enjoyed the experience. Had I spent time on the forums or watched some of the griefing vids (Brick Squad's recent incursion efforts spring to mind) while I was on a trial account I probably would never have subscribed. It boggles the mind how crappily Eve players treat each other.

Fortunately I personally had a pretty positive introduction and hence I decided to stick around.

So yeah OP I totally get where you are coming from and I do believe new players who might have been a positive force in Eve are being driven away from the game. That's a really pity because I think Eve is one of the best games I know. All I can say to you is try not to let the **** stick to you and drag you down.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#53 - 2012-01-24 16:07:06 UTC
Hmmm perhaps it would help the new players if a nice popup message came when they started their trial:

"This is a PvP game. Unless you are in a station your whole life, you can be shot at and killed by anyone. you have been warned, have fun."

Might help, might not.




I guess some could tone it down, especially their overusage of memes (u mad is especially overused). But I rather like the hostility as it is, it makes EVE less boring.
There are days I like the boring though...
Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-01-24 16:08:15 UTC
I am quite happy with EvE Online

I am simply summing up my experience of EvE Online in certain circumstances. I have plenty of ISk because i earn enuff isk (rl money) out of game xD So i can sub myself that way.

The horrible comments and downright rudeness simply project what is wrong with eve, slippermonkey is just another asskey monkey with a bad attitude. He'd be the Horde rogue that hangs around outside stormwind, he'd be the **** sniper in bf3, he'd be the noobtuber in mw3. Its just who he is.

I am VERY happy with my corp and its members, we have fun, we die, we kill, we have fun, I am simply making a statement.

Nothing i said is untrue no matter how much anyone wishes it otherwise, this has to be said.

PvP in empire is killing EVE

War decs should be 100mil per week to corps where 50% of the member base operate in empire. You should NOT be allowed to fire on targets you are not at war with i.e sucicide ganking.

There are several small fixes that could qujite easily make an amazing mmo with millions of players

I apologise for not responding sooner but as i was picking my sons up from school and dropping friends children home, i took awhile.

EvE Online is a game and there are to many people who wake up, have no jobs, and spend there life on here making everyone elses life misrable, sumone has to stand up for that.
Tycko Celchu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-01-24 16:10:09 UTC
EvE is fine, your money printin machine is broken so if ccp cant fix it fast enough we fix it for them, EvE doesnt need more people at all, move along.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#56 - 2012-01-24 16:19:49 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
So im sat looking at the threads and im asking myself, surley these people cant be this damn stupid, the more i read the more im convinced, yes your are inface that damn stupid.

Lets go back to 04 when lvl mission rats used to give 1mil bounties per bs killed and 500k per bc killed, i also remeber my 0.0 main, there was alot of pvp because our alts made the ISK needed to keep up the fleets.
Then came the mission nerf because a bunch of no job pvp elite monkeys screamed loud enough and ccp was stupid enough to listen to them. And so PvP dropped off because our alts made about 1/4 of what we used to make on a daily basis, so pvp drops off, more people are ratting, mining in null trying to make isk, getting ships down. It started to go downhill from there.

Then Goons came and royally ****** null and empire up rather quickly.

Then incursions came, awsum way to make isk, but griefer corps rose to get *faction* battleship kills for the kb's.

I am also noteing how the *elite* griefers and pvpers who routinley mess up empire corps are now complaining about the lack of players in eve online. Ironic no? They very thing you complain about, you caused to happen, let me outline it for you.

You grief new corps daily, these corps shut down
New players quit because they cant join any corp without being blown up (forced pvp)
Tax rate on npc corp raised because *elite* griefers and pvp complain about a lack of targets
Market prices for basic t2 modules and ships rocket because there is now a lack of indy corps because they are routinly screwed over. Now the russians control the market.
No new recruits for pvp corps in null because empire griefer alts are making new players quit
0.0 regions (apart from hubs) become deadzones, player numbers drop off
Again all caused by the *pvp corps* themselves.
Empire can be busy but alot of the time now its not
Recruitment channel used to 1500-2000 on the weekends fri-monday now its more like 300-600 - again, people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up.
New pvp corps die out because *elite* corps dec them and take them camping non stop

A friend of mine started playing two weeks ago, he has been in 6 corps since and each one has had random decs levelled at it and 1bil in isk ransom demanded. Should this be allowed to continue?

And now you jihading incursions, why? Because you screwed up null sec with your empire alts actions? Your griefer corps actions? So u attack another section of eve that brings in new corps? New players? Well done, another way of destroying the game.

I know im gonnaa get flamed and trolled, probbaly war decced as a result of this post. but here is my message to the pvpers of eve

YOU complain about the lack of the new players, corps, 0.0 warefare, YOU routinley grief new corps and alliances that could grow into massivley new alliances and pvp corps.

YOU have only YOURSELF to BLAME for the fact EvE Online MMO is dieing, because YOU, the PVP COMMUNITY, are to blame, you hark on about carebears, go ahead, but everyone starts out, or 90% do as carebears, YOU are the ones DESTROYING this game, you want the game to change? YOU have to chaneg your HABITS AND GRIEFING WARS to sink this in.

You have only yourself to blame. CCP is not at fault, the game is not at fault, the pvpers of eve are at fault, you want null sec to become fun again? Get out of empire and get back into eve pvp as it was ment to be played. Because after 07, eve become a slow dieing train and YOU the ELITE PVP GRIEFERS are to blame.

Go ahead n flame, the more u doe it, the more u prove my point. Your just to stupid to see your actions in the short term massivley effect the game in the longterm, narrow minded individuals.

And before i am called a *bear* and a *newb* I was in the orginal CA/5/BOB and have lived in null since 04 to 2010 when id finally had enuff, i have pvped in fast gangs,.bombers the works, so dont throw childish insults

Hoff Out


Aside from lacking any references to how goons are screwing up caps with their CSM aholes advocating nerfs, demanding the death of local and an end to hisec with lower concord penalties, the nerfing of incursions and the whining about how their true sec needs boosting.... I would just like to say thank you.

This rant and many others like it are well deserved.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-01-24 16:24:49 UTC
tl;dr

I agree, grifters are bad--- Wait, wut?
Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#58 - 2012-01-24 16:27:07 UTC
Honestly, I thing the prevalence of "griefing" is pretty exaggerated. For the most part I see a majority of the high-sec dwellers going about their business fairly unimpeded.

I am also a bit disappointed by the relative lack of organization and creativity that many high-sec corps exhibit. For instance, after running missions with relatively few losses for an extended amount of time, why is hiring a mercenary corp considered a bad investment? Why isn't there a contingency fund set aside for these "rainy days"? What about rallying other like-minded corps into some kind of coalition or alliance?

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-01-24 16:34:53 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:

PvP in empire is killing EVE

2million isk a week to make you this grumpy is money well spent

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#60 - 2012-01-24 16:40:16 UTC
waaa hi-sec players are making money..waaa we want to control how they spend their isk cause eve isn't a sandbox game like someone stated before....it's PvP.

*rolls eyes at rampant hypocrisy*