Science & Industry

can you also research your BPOs in the pos from the safety of a high sec station or is it only copying?

Just to further the explanation on BPO's along, if someone could correct/verify the following - it would be appreciated.

It is my understanding that when the BPO is present in the Corporate Hangar, in the safety of an NPC Station (same system only?) you can access your POS (again, same system) for research, remotely. This allows the BPO to stay safe, while the research itself is done at the POS in an available slot... WITHOUT having to ever move the BPO there.

The BPO stays put, the copies appear at the POS after being run... and manufacturing of products is best done... where?

I am new to POS... hell, new to the game (3 months now) so just trying to plan out my next purchase plan so I can continue growing my abilities and assets.

Yes, assuming you have things setup correctly.

Pre-req for keeping your BPOs safely in the NPC station:
- You must have a corporate office rented.
- Same system as where the POS tower is.
- Rented by the same corp who owns the POS tower.
- BPO is kept in the appropriate corporate hangar division in the NPC station.
- You must have access to withdraw/deposit funds from a corporate wallet division (same division as where the BPO is kept)

ME/PE research - BPO stays in station, but vanishes during the duration of the job. If the job is cancelled, BPO gets returned to the corporate hangar. When the job is completed, BPO gets returned to the same tab it started from in the corporate hangar. Since ME/PE produces zero output at the labs, you can use ME/PE slots of another corporation's labs in the same player alliance. Any consumable items (like "Research Reports") have to be placed out at the array and preclude the ability to do cross-corporation research on those BPOs.

Copies - BPO stays in corporate hangar in station, but the resulting copies will show up out at the mobile lab structure (in the appropriate tab). Due to permissions, you must be a member of the owner corp in order to retrieve your BPCs from the labs later. Which generally means you can't do cross-corporation copy jobs in an alliance situation.

Invention - BPO stays in station, but datacores, interfaces and any other consumables like meta modules have to be out at the mobile lab in the proper corp division tab. The results of the invention job (T2 BPCs) are created in the mobile labs, just like the copy process, which means you need appropriate corporation roles to retrieve the results.

Production - Generally only used in hi-sec in cases where local manuf slots at the NPC stations are unavailable. But if you must manufacture at a POS array, it works similar to invention. The BPO stays in the station's corp hangar tab, any consumed items need to be hauled out to the assembly array. Output appears in the assembly array in the chosen tab.

well, pos production is faster right?

Most assembly arrays have a 0.75 time multiplier, so yes it's faster. Depends whether you want to dedicate some of your CPU budget towards assembly arrays rather then churning out more copies / research / invention jobs using lab arrays. Copy/ME slots are harder to find in hi-sec without a lengthy wait time, while manuf slots in quieter regions are generally zero-wait.

There's also the additional logistical effort of constantly (every few days) moving new raw materials out to the lab and bringing the finished goods back to the station.

(I do about half and half. There are a few select items that I build at an assembly array, but the big bulky stuff gets built in a nearby station slot. The jEVEAssets "stockpile" tool is invaluable for keeping the assembly array stocked with the right mix of raw materials.)

You need both. The faction space specific charters are consumed for every day the POS is operational like fuel. The standing allows you to anchor the POS.

It wasn't mentioned above but you only need standing to anchor the tower itself, after that, it's not needed. In other words, standing is only checked when anchoring the tower. It's not needed to anchor other items once the tower is setup.

Z.

Temp spike. It'll go down in a week or two. Or get a researched block BPO and manufacture your own blocks.

Small POS should work out around the 100 million mark.

At Jita sell prices,
amarr blocks are around 14.5k (0.9K margin)
Caldari are 16.1k (2.5k margin)
Gallente are 19.5k (2K margin)
Minmatar are 16.6K (1.6K margin)

So, with a small amarr tower, you'd be paying around a quarter million per day, for someone else to make your blocks for you. For a small caldari tower, you'd be paying 600K a day.

Expanding that to a month, you're paying about 18 million more for a Caldari tower on fuel blocks from the Jita market. Around 6.5 million more for an Amarr tower.



Prices pulled from eve-market data, from my blueprint calculator. so take them with a dose of salt.

Based on prices of around:

Coolant 10,044.34
Enriched Uranium 10,200.09
Mechanical Parts 7,704.51
Oxygen 239.53
Robotics 65,944.54
Starbase Charter 2,500.00
Heavy Water 129.53
Helium Isotopes 517.45
Hydrogen Isotopes 634.06
Nitrogen Isotopes 555.91
Oxygen Isotopes 902.79
Liquid Ozone 481.69
Strontium Clathrates 490.09

The no-markup cost (if you make your own with zero waste, in a cheap station slot):

Amarr: 96 / 189 / 377 - 13097 ISK/u
Caldari: 99 / 195 / 388 - 13481 ISK/u
Gallente: 124 / 245 / 488 - 16950 ISK/u
Minmatar: 104 / 206 / 411 - 14263 ISK/u

Looks like. That's 99 million for a small, 195 for a medium, 388 for a large