These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Missions & Complexes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Level 4 Missions - Machariel or Vargur
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Flaming Head
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-01-24 13:49:12 UTC
If you had to choose one ship out of these which would it be? I can't afford both (yet) so need one that will be the best allround.

I've heard really good things about both and am leaning towards the Vargur at the moment.

Thanks!
stoicfaux
#2 - 2012-01-24 14:00:12 UTC
If you can't afford both, then you cannot afford to replace a ship loss, so go with the Vargur for now. The hull is cheaper, it's cheaper to fit, has a better tank, and with RF ammo it puts out as much raw firepower as a Mach that uses t1 ammo.

Long term, you'll probably want to go with a Mach because it is much more agile (faster to enter warp,) has significantly faster lock times, and is a fast ship (1400m/s+ with MWD.)

IME, they're both good ships, but the Mach makes for a much better mission blitzer. If you're not blitzing, then either ship is fine.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-01-24 14:01:12 UTC
Well I like the Marauder role bonus of 100% to the guns, less ammo to buy or bother with making.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#4 - 2012-01-24 14:24:09 UTC
In short, Vargur is the overall better ship for missions if you fly single- account.

- full dps potential without the need to train marauders v
- less ammo consumption, makes sense to use rf ammo if wanted
- better tank, more comfortable to fly due to high resists, better tracking, only slightly slower with ab
- not dependant on drones to reach (nearly) full dps potential unlike mach
- does only around 100 dps less depending on fit
- can salvage while killing which makes better isk/h than mach on single acc
- lock time is irrelevant since it can lock up to 10 targets, you lock npc's while you kill others

the only thing that goes for the mach is its ability to field 1400's if you want to use them for missions with extra long spawn distances
stoicfaux
#5 - 2012-01-24 14:48:33 UTC
McRoll wrote:
In short, Vargur is the overall better ship for missions if you fly single- account.

- full dps potential without the need to train marauders v
- less ammo consumption, makes sense to use rf ammo if wanted
- better tank, more comfortable to fly due to high resists, better tracking, only slightly slower with ab
- not dependant on drones to reach (nearly) full dps potential unlike mach
- does only around 100 dps less depending on fit
- can salvage while killing which makes better isk/h than mach on single acc
- lock time is irrelevant since it can lock up to 10 targets, you lock npc's while you kill others

the only thing that goes for the mach is its ability to field 1400's if you want to use them for missions with extra long spawn distances



Eeeeeeeeeh... not quite. The Mach's speed gives it the ability to get closer to targets in order to significantly reduce the DPS loss to falloff. A Vargur with RF ammo has more DPS than a T1 ammo Mach. However, if the Mach is ~11km closer to the target than the Vargur, then the raw DPS equalizes. If you fly a MWD Mach (1,400 m/s) you can get in close very quickly and put out more effective DPS than the Vargur. Roughly speaking, every ~10km closer results in a ~10% improvement in applied DPS.

Faster lock time is a nice to have because it means you can lock new spawns quickly enough that you can normally pop frigates at range instead of having to use drones. The Mach can lock 9 or 10 targets if you fit an auto-targeter.

And since we've forgotten to mention it, the Vargur has better tracking than the Mach, but the MWD Mach can field Web drones and TP drones that improve tracking. The MWD Mach's speed also makes using a Web practical which also improves tracking.

If you can get a good isk/lp conversion rate and know how to blitz missions, you won't miss the salvage/loot.



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Orlacc
#6 - 2012-01-24 17:08:28 UTC
Stop.

This topic is beaten to death!

Take 10 seconds and look around the forums.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Flaming Head
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-01-24 17:54:37 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Stop.

This topic is beaten to death!

Take 10 seconds and look around the forums.


Yet you took the time to post.


Thanks for the help everyone, much appreciated. Going to go with the Vargur for the time being...

SHINEY TECH 2 TEMPEST
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-01-24 19:07:48 UTC
Vargur
Posting cos i like ppl that don't search the forum.

Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: “Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.”
Violet Nova
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-01-26 00:04:14 UTC
I'd put a nod towards Vargur for the most part besides it being dam ugly , with max skills (cause we all have those right) the mach is a smidgen better imo but that's not till you're maxed out on everything and even then it's down to preference. If you are running incursions though or thinking of it people prefer machs over vargurs.